News: Fox Sports VP Calls Soccer, Not Baseball, 'Next National Pastime'

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by JJ Mindset, Oct 3, 2012.

  1. JJ Mindset

    JJ Mindset Member

    Dec 7, 2000
    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/fox-sports-tv-soccer-world-cup-baseball-375943

    Another article written to make us hopeful again, I guess. Anyway, I thought I'd leave this here for you to chew on:


    Also, as an aside, if you hated the way NBC covered the last Olympics, some of the panelists actually agree with you.
     
  2. G Enriquez

    G Enriquez Member+

    Apr 1, 2002
    Tampa
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks for posting this.
     
  3. napolisoccer

    napolisoccer Member

    NYCFC - Napoli
    Feb 20, 2005
    Napoli
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
  4. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Let's not get ahead of ourselves. MLB sells over 70 million tickets every year.
     
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  5. Tony in Quakeland

    Jan 27, 2003
    Pleasant Hill, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Half way in a 50 year evolution sounds about right. You have to keep in mind how quickly things change. My favorite example is that in the early 80s the NBA Finals was shown on tape delay at 11:30 because the network didn't want to give up prime time. By the 90s it was arguably the biggest sport in the country. Compare soccer to where it was pre-1990 world cup to now and it's an amazing difference. It's hard not to feel that soccer is approaching a tipping point now.
     
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  6. Ironkick14

    Ironkick14 Member+

    Sep 29, 2011
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They have 162 games a team and have 30 teams. Yes, their average is higher also, but it's only in the 27-30000 range. That's still impossible for MLS, but just saying 70 million tickets are sold without taking into account the difference in both number of games and teams is deceptive.
     
  7. Roger Allaway

    Roger Allaway Member+

    Apr 22, 2009
    Warminster, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Neither the total attendance, nor the per-game average attendance is what really matters. What matters is the total revenue from ticket sales, in other words the amount of money that fans are willing to spend on the sport. Baseball's far longer season doesn't dilute the fans' willingness to pay, game after game. MLB is able to charge as much per ticket as MLS does, despite the fact that it plays about seven times as many games as MLS. Baseball is still way, way ahead.
     
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  8. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Baseball's ability to continuously sell so many tickets speaks to a very deep reservoir of cultural attachment to the sport. I know a lot of hipster soccer fans might want to ignore baseball. But more than any other sport in the US, baseball has a fandom that is passed down from generation to generation.
     
  9. Whitecaps10

    Whitecaps10 Member

    Jul 11, 2010
    Long Island,NY
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree with this statement. One thing that works in the favor of MLS is the league is set up to be on a hard salary cap with just DP's to get around it and MLB just has a luxury tax. With these ways of running the league, MLS has the advatage of being more balanced with teams having a better chance of coming back from a basement performance and reaching the playoffs is more consistent. As bad as TFC's 6 years in a row of no playoffs is bad, recently the O's broke their streak and the Pirates have a 20 year streak. That can really take a toll on paying customers.
     
  10. Dtown

    Dtown Member

    Sep 5, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be fair Baseball's has managed to have parity despite its own rules. In the last 11 years there's been 9 different champions, and all the teams save three (Pirates, Royals, Blue Jays) have made the playoffs in that time period. You must remember despite having 30 teams MLB has the same amount of teams in the playoffs as MLS, and that only changed this year.
     
  11. Zxcv

    Zxcv Member+

    Feb 22, 2012
    I was under the distinct impression that baseball has already been usurped as the national pastime.

    It is painfully obvious that soccer will become one of the major sports in this country. Whether it will become the pastime, or the national sport, is irrelevant.
     
  12. blacksun

    blacksun Member+

    Mar 30, 2006
    Seoul, Korea
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The difference in ticket revenue is staggering. MLB: $7 billion, MLS: $280 million
     
  13. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So MLB has 25 times the amount of ticket revenue and 3.32 times the amount of ticket revenue per regular season game if you use the number of regular season games MLS has this season.
     
  14. mml65

    mml65 New Member

    Oct 19, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    As crazy as it sounds the MLS and soccer in America in general is growing at a impressive rate. Kids are playing soccer from their youth but not only are more players sticking with it as they get older but more and more children are playing. America is in a critical period of recognizing soccer as an important part of its country and you may be surprised but it may catch baseball eventually. The MLS ticket sales have already surpassed basketball.
     
  15. Roger Allaway

    Roger Allaway Member+

    Apr 22, 2009
    Warminster, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It doesn't sound crazy that MLS and American soccer are growing at an impressive rate. That's visible all around us. It doesn't even sound crazy that soccer "may catch baseball eventually" since "eventually" can be a long, long time. But I'm not expecting it in my lifetime.
     
  16. mml65

    mml65 New Member

    Oct 19, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Some years ago that sounded crazy and to some who experience the time when soccer was not very prominent probably would be surprised. Also internationals especially the elder ones never saw the US as a place where soccer was taken as serious as places in Europe. This is slowly changing, Some of the best players in the world are more and more showing interest in moving from Europe to America and also more and more Europe have become more interested in players in America something that was rare in previous times.
     
  17. cdskou

    cdskou Member

    Sep 17, 2012
    Club:
    Olympiakos Piraeus
    In regard to the best players in the world playing in America, PELE, Best, Cryuff and some guy named Franz Baking powder were here in the 70's.
    The foreign players that the MLS is attracting, well.....
     
  18. cdskou

    cdskou Member

    Sep 17, 2012
    Club:
    Olympiakos Piraeus
    Yes, you are correct.
     
  19. cdskou

    cdskou Member

    Sep 17, 2012
    Club:
    Olympiakos Piraeus
    Do you go to baseball games?
     
  20. ejgrownarseman

    Jul 19, 2012
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Baseball is big in baseball markets (NYC, Chicago, Boston, to name a few) and probably always will be. But in markets with little or no MLB presence, it is dying a quick death.

    Your average sports loving kid doesn't give two craps about baseball these days.
     
  21. Jewelz510

    Jewelz510 Member+

    Feb 19, 2011
    Bay Area
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yea, that league owns MLS! There's no way MLS can compete with this super league. Why would Cristiano Ronaldo wanna play in MLS when he can play in NASL circa 1978?! MLS will die a miserable, lonely death while NASL 1978 will dominate forever!
     
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  22. nicklaino

    nicklaino Member+

    Feb 14, 2012
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Most american born kids cant player soccer small sided by themselves for a long time with just three players. But you can go to a hand ball court and you can do anything all you need is an imagination. You can go to a tennis court and player soccer tennis soccer volleyball even soccer basketball

    In baseball all you need is a bat and a ball and three players and a field. You can hit them out and the others field and you imagine your hitting a home run. You can do that for hours.
     
  23. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure. I've had a partial season ticket plan for the Nationals ever since they moved to DC. I'm a fan of baseball and have been since I was a kid.
     
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  24. nicklaino

    nicklaino Member+

    Feb 14, 2012
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I just saw the Yankees play just before the playoff. I sat in a box bought by my Sons company. Meals included you go get a all the food you want cooked the way you want free. It was great shak was there, and other celebrities. Even while your watching the game order off the menu with waiters.

    If you had to pay for tickets like this it would cost you 300 dollars a ticket.

    What lower income people can afford a ticket like this. No more guys running around saying beer here.
     
  25. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Few fans can afford tickets like that at any sporting event. The box seats at soccer stadiums in the US aren't full of regular Joes, either. On the other hand, the cheapest baseball tickets here in DC are $10 or less.
     

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