Forward Thinking.....

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by USA4Life, Mar 10, 2003.

  1. USA4Life

    USA4Life Member

    Feb 10, 2002
    It is always important to consider how the two forwards will play together.

    The US track record of success has included a target forward and a speedster. Sometimes this means leaving a talented player on the bench.
    The 2000 olympic team comes to mind with Donovan losing out to Wolff in the speedster role.

    The question: will McBride have enough left in his tank in 2006?

    The statement: players that don't fit into either the Speedster Role or Target role will not be successful at the international level.

    Razov is the classic example of a player that plays the speedster role, but doesn't have the pace to get it done. Twellman's lack of international pace is also a concern; however, he would play much better next to McBride.

    Mathis is another player that doesn't fit into either role. This is one of the reasons that he wasn't given many minutes in 2002 WC IMO.

    The good news:
    Ed Johnson and Freddy Adu may be able to take over as the speedster if Josh Wolff never gets back to 100%. Ed Johnson is a big guy, but not a classic target guy. He can however finish and run quite fast.

    The Bad news: who other than McBride and Casey has the size and strength to play as the target forward?
     
  2. sch2383

    sch2383 New Member

    Feb 14, 2003
    Northern Virginia
    I think Eddie Buddle and Santino could become target forwards just based on their size. Also if Freddy grows 4 to 6 inches, he could become a target and a speed forward.
     
  3. lurking

    lurking Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Id expect to have someone by 2006 other than McBride, but I wouldnt be suprised if this remains a muddled issue till 2005.
     
  4. voros

    voros Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Parts Unknown
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The sooner we realize we don't need one, the better off as a squad we'll be. If you have one, you use him and play to him. If not, you try something else. Plenty of teams have won World Cups without prototypical target forwards including the most recent one.

    We are still WAY to reliant at pumping long balls up the field to a target guy in hopes of winning the ball. Not only is it not effective without the right guy, but it's about as boring as the game gets.

    Under the right style, I'd have no problem with a Wolff/Donovan type pairing up top, a single striker set up with attacking mids, or a line of three forwards.

    We need to expand our horizons a little as we continue to improve so we can play whatever style the situation dictates.
     
  5. lurking

    lurking Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Id agree that at times we are too reliant on long balls forward, but I disagree that it isnt valuable or even nescessary for our team to have that option.

    Set pieces are also a consideration, we dont have many positions where we are going to have guys that are going to make good targets or markers, so there is that added consideration.

    I also think its important to have a player that physically can hold there own with against a pair of large physical center backs, since we have so many attacking small fries.
     
  6. Knox Cameron is a big guy (6'3") and plays target forward pretty well. Right now he is one of the top two or three U-20's up front. I could see him eventually getting some PT with the USMNT if he continues to improve. He is more than a handful on corners and set pieces, and he is also pretty skilled with the ball at his feet.
     
  7. Ringo

    Ringo Member

    Jun 10, 2002
    Rough and Ready
    Club:
    Yeovil Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    who names their kid knox?
     
  8. dawgpound2

    dawgpound2 Member

    Mar 3, 2001
    Los Angeles, CA
    The Overstreets.
     
  9. soccerfan

    soccerfan BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 13, 1999
    New Jersey
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Forward thinking................ there will be many new faces on the 2006WC team, some we might not have even seen yet or even thought of
     
  10. dude8

    dude8 Member

    Apr 2, 2002
    phoenix
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    whomever

    i don't think "da bruce" is so set in his ways to go out looking for an identical setup to 2002. he had a target forward, he used a target forward. he will go with what he's got, so we all have to wait and see. maybe we have two speedsters, maybe two targets, maybe we line up in a 5-5....

    time will tell.
     
  11. todda74

    todda74 New Member

    Nov 4, 2001
    Annapolis
    Bruce is one of the few coaches that will determine his system based on the players he has available. Too many coaches have their system and select the best players to fill it in. YOu should play your best players no matter where they fit.
     
  12. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer New Member

    Sep 3, 1999
    Knox Cameron is a college player. Unless he turns pro soon, his window for 2006 is closing quickly.
     
  13. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer New Member

    Sep 3, 1999
    Most of the player pool is known--at best there might be one player to come out of nowhere.
     
  14. Modena Man

    Modena Man New Member

    Feb 23, 2003
    I saw Knox Cameron play for the Brooklyn Knights in the PDL at the Met Oval. He is pretty good, but not at a level that I could see him starting in the World Cup finals. He has professional potential but, as Wanderer said, college ball will hold him back if he stays there.
     
  15. soccerfan

    soccerfan BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 13, 1999
    New Jersey
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ok,
    it is
    but
    we
    don't know
    who
    will be
    on
    that 2006
    team

    honestly we pretty much think adu will be on it, 3 weeks ago we didn't
     
  16. lurking

    lurking Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So if my 10 best field players are 5-5 forwards I should play them? Seriously though, you have to put the 11 on the field that play best together, and that may or may not be the best 11 you have taken only as individuals.
     

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