Formula 1? I Prefer the Carreras on Madrid Matchdays - Bienvenido Alvaro Carreras

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  1. AppleBob86

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    I can't believe a player of Carreras quality (which isn't great btw) would question a coach on tactics.
     
  2. Hendrix22

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    Feb 28, 2010
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    Sound investigative skills here. I agree, we just need to find a way to hide all the ridiculous and embarassing shit that is happening at the club. Heres a suggestion - lets ignore reality and pretend everything is just great. That way we can achieve our ultimate objective which is for Perez to look amazing and be in charge forever. Everyone wins.
     
  3. 4x4s

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    How so? These guys have been playing professional football for about 10 years, i would argue that a coach that isn't comfortable with justifying his decision isn't qualified for the job.

    There's a now quite famous video of Flick showing a video to the German national team about how they are supposed to play and Kimmich pretty much tells him that sucks and doesn't work, in the middle of the session, with the entire team there. Flick is clearly kind of stunned by how direct the criticism is, but he asks why would you say that/ asks for input. Kimmich responds what he feels like would go wrong with Flick's idea and how they could execute it better and there's a discussion where they come to a consensus.

    In my opinion THAT is top coaching. Not just pointing to your little badge and pounding down directions.
     
  4. Hendrix22

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    If this is the clip youre referring to then youre grossly misrepresenting the situation. Flick actively asks for feedback, he himself seems unsure about it. Thats literally the purpose of the session. Kimmich is extremely hesitant and basically says he doesnt know or doesnt really understand, and they need to train it. Thats completely different from a player confronting a coach and telling him hes a cone or whatever.
     
  5. 4x4s

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    i just let google AI, chatgpt, and grok go through my post and none of them found me saying that Kimmich called Flick a cone.

    If you are a great coach you WANT your ideas challenged. The best way to find yourself outdated and past it is to stay in an echo chamber.

    One of the coolest things i've done/seen is taking the coaching classes and seeing coaches have fast food and drinks and go head to head until 2-3 in the morning discussing corner kick defense and all kinds of situations.
     
  6. Hendrix22

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    lol I expected you would play semantics, but even the title of the video is laughable "Kimmich HITS BACK at Hansi Flick", kind of in the way you presented it.

    But since youre going to be intentionally obtuse, our players apparently call Arbeloa a cone, and they famously threw tantrums at Xabi's substitutions as well as made jokes pretending to sleep during his tactical sessions. Not even close to what happens in this video.
     
  7. 4x4s

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    #157 4x4s, May 15, 2026
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    I never said it is though. Just that when i bench a player, i at least have a shitty bingo card that says:

    - i feel like you need a rest, we will discuss this before the next game
    - i don't see the intensity i need in training


    How is it so crazy to ask "hey man, i am not playing, may i ask why?"
    If a coach can't answer this it usually means somebody else is telling him who plays and who doesn't in the first place. The reputation Arbeloa has right now in Spanish media is that he gets the starting lineup from his bosses.
     
  8. .halamadrid2.

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    #158 .halamadrid2., May 15, 2026
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    This was a Marca exclusive. Sure all players can leak but they are usually close to one journalist for example Fabrizio. Don't think any player has the sort of rapport with the local press as the Spanish contingent do. It is just a hunch and I would hazard a guess that it is why the snap election was called.
     
  9. .halamadrid2.

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    Carreras was slapped and got shouted at twice by a teammate and it wasn't for laughs. There are obvious red flags with him.

    If I am a coach I dont tell a player to get a coaching licence when they moan that they dont play. We all saw what his response to Mbappe was when he moaned that he didnt start and it wasn't that he should get a coaching licence. It doesnt make sense to give that reply.

    The most logical thing is that it is to do with tactics which is why you get a coaching licence, to learn the fundamentals
     
  10. 4x4s

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    The most logical thing is that Arbeloa is as qualified for the job he's holding as Carreras is to being a helicopter pilot.

    Catastrophic job to bring him in by the club.
     
  11. .halamadrid2.

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    Neither was Zidane. Problem is that he didnt have to deal with a divided dressing room and those players were infinitely more professional than this one.
     
  12. 4x4s

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    Zidane spent an entire season shadowing Carlo Ancelotti, on top of the season he had spent with Castilla.

    Funny enough he didn't have the highest license level, maybe Arbeloa would tell him to go get a license as well.
     
  13. .halamadrid2.

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    Still not more qualified than AA. in fact Arbeloa did better at the various youth teams including Castilla than Zidane. The only difference here is that he was more respected and that we had a more professional bunch.
     
  14. arcane

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    People shouldn't underestimate Zidane's gravitas because of who he is. And they see how special he is everyday in training.

    Some of the players he coached idolized him. The same can't be said for Xabi and Alvaro.

    Of course he had to back that up, but still, he had that edge.
     
  15. 4x4s

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    Maybe in the academic sense, but in performance Arbeloa wouldn't get an offer by Salamanca right now where Zidane has had multiple clubs at his feet begging him to take the job, including Madrid.

    We're not talking about the point Real Madrid was hired. I feel like he clearly demonstrated that he's totally out of his depth. That doesn't mean he's some kind of terrible person. Just that he's most likely the worst coach this club has ever seen in decades.
     

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