Football in the UK season 2024/25

Discussion in 'Women's International' started by shlj, Jul 23, 2024.

  1. L'orange

    L'orange Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jul 20, 2017
    Wow: It was obvious Chelsea has been outspending its rivals---but the gap is bigger than expected. The kind of depth Chelsea has doesn't come cheaply. We see what's happened to ManCity after all its injuries---not nearly the same quality depth, and having problems.
     
  2. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    The financial accounts are freely available for nearly every team as they are registered Plc with companies house. It makes an interesting reading.
     
  3. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Matchday 19

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    Table

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    Chelsea and have Arsenal* have qualified for the Champions League.
    Crystal Palace are 7 points behind Aston Villa and Leicester they have 4 games to play.
    They play Chelsea on Wednesday.
     
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  4. Allende72

    Allende72 Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Nov 17, 2008
    Wilmington, NC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  5. Allende72

    Allende72 Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Nov 17, 2008
    Wilmington, NC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Manchester City player Kerstin Casparij support for transgender comminity:
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    kerstin_casparij
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    Started , stuck in the later on. 1⃣ goal, 1⃣ point.

    Sometimes there are bigger, more important things than football.

    My goal today was dedicated to all my trans siblings, who’ve had an incredibly tough & heartbreaking week. You have all been on my mind and in my heart, you deserve so much more than what this government & society is giving you. I’m so incredibly proud of the trans existence within the queer community, and I’m proud of all trans women - you are women no matter what anyone says. ️‍⚧️
     
  6. L'orange

    L'orange Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jul 20, 2017
    RE the trans issue, when sports is broken down into male and female categories, it's important that a female athlete is, in fact, a female, so that you're not discriminating against the players who are biological females.

    The governing body of international track and field has taken a different approach than the FA with trans and intersex athletes, after the Castor Semenya controversy--a runner who looks in every way a male but competed as a female for a few years and won a lot of races until objections arose. Semenya was apparently labeled "female" at birth--not sure why--but testing has shown s/he has X/Y chromosomes--which would make him male--along with high testosterone levels. Whether he/she is actually a male or intersex, I don't know--maybe the latter. In any case, She/he was told a couple of years ago that he/she would have to significantly lower her T level, to a specific threshold, with drugs, to continue racing as a female. He/she has refused and I don't think has raced at all since that decision. IMO that was a sensible move by the governing body.

    In the U.S. a huge controversy arose when a collegiate transwoman swimmer was allowed to compete in women's events for the Univ. of Pennsylvania. She was a mediocre 19- or 20-year-old male swimmer when she opted to change her identity. The NCAA (governing body) did not have a handle on the issue, and had only one rule for transwomen competitors--that being that they had to have been on a T-lowering hormone for at least a year, I think, in order to be eligible to compete. The swimmer, Lia Thomas, had done that. That was the only rule--they didn't even mandate that the T level had to be below a certain threshold. Well, Thomas went on to win numerous women's events--including a national title. Most people were outraged--thinking true female swimmers were being discriminated against. Thomas supporters argued that she should not be prevented from participating as a female in the sport she loves. For me, frankly, having a hormone treatment for a year or two does not turn a post-puberty male, who has all physiology of a male, into a female. Since then the international governing body for swimming has significantly tightened the rules for transwomen, I believe. There hasn't been an outright ban--but I think it would be very difficult for most transwomen swimmers to compete in female events now unless they've made a serious transition.

    I certainly have no issue with trans-people--and no one should discriminate against them. But there is a difference between how people are viewed/treated in general society and how they are scrutinized in sports with its split between male and female events. Identifying as a woman does not make you a female for the purpose of athletic competition.

    I think it can get complicated when someone is intersex--has both male and female biological characteristics. Then, in my view, the biological balance has to be skewed heavily into the biological female territory if you want to compete as a female--per the track governing body ruluing--whether it's one natural biological traits or they are altered chemically or via surgery, etc. Like every big decision in life, opting to change one's gender/sexual identify can have consequences.

    In soccer, there are a pair of talented sisters--the Chawinga's---that I wonder about. Temwa Chawinga, who plays in the NWSL, certainly looks a lot like a male, and has the superior physical qualities that can be associated with males. She reminds me of Semenya--another African. But there has been no controversy about her that I've noticed, tho I read she suffered abuse as a kid for playing on girls' teams because she was thought to be male. I don't know if she or her sister, who plays for Lyon, have ever been tested. I empathize with transwomen---it's a tough journey, to be sure--but I certainly think biology is important in sports. Others may disagree.
     
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  7. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    I find it strange that the FA has decided to ban 20 amateur players from playing football basically.
    But it is very much a political issue in the UK with a government with anti-trans retorhic.
     
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  8. bigsoccertst1

    bigsoccertst1 Member+

    United States
    Sep 22, 2017
    I don't know why this fixation keeps popping up, where biological women's sexuality is in doubt especially if they are of African descent.

    Reminds me of a Russian Tennis fed president calling the African-American Williams sisters "the Williams brothers" in October 2014. That idiot thought native prejudices against Black women in sports (they sure look like men, don't they! Nah, just kidding!) were fair game. WTA fined and suspended him for a year.

    But sure, the Chawinga sisters should be tested... it is not enough being forced to undress during a Malawian Pro Cup match, to prove their sexuality.

    I even remember someone on these boards claiming that *African women often seem to be on the higher end of [testosterone] natural variation*. That genius cited an endocrine study on Scandinavian women athletes to prove *higher testosterone levels in African female athletes*.

    In both posts, Castor Semenya was used as a stepping stone to project doubt on biological females' sexuality, just because they are African athletes.

    Sigh.
     
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  9. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Final matchday on Saturday and it is a straight shoot-out for second place Arsenal v Manchester United k/o 12.30pm

    Arsenal 45 points, Man United 44 points.
    The runner-up enter the Champions League in the League path qualifying round 3, while third place entre in qualifying round 2.
    Chelsea are champions, Crystal Palace are relegated, London City Lionnesses are promoted.
     
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  10. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Final WSL table

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    Chelsea qualify for the Champions League League phase
    Arsenal qualify for the Champions League qualifying round 3
    Man United qualify for the Champions League qualifying round 2

    Crystal Palace relegated, London City Lionesses (funded by Michelle Kang) promoted.
     
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  11. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Same problem as Reading last season. Ownership would not commit to minimum ressources needed to compete in the WSL2.
    They will go down by 2 divisions at least and Sheffield United are first in line to stay up. That would mean 0 team going down on the pitch as the division played with 11 teams this season.
    The two teams promoted from Tier 3 are Ipswich Town and Nottingham Forrest.
     
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  12. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  13. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Richard Garlick
    • We’re proud to announce that all 11 of our WSL matches will be played at Emirates Stadium next season, another bold step forward for our team and our drive to grow the women's game sustainably.
      This marks the start of another chapter in the storied history of our women’s team, which was born out of community 38 years ago. The news comes not long after our supporters, staff, and members of our local community came together to lift the Champions League trophy last month. We keep moving forward together.
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