yeah...I can't believe Notre Dame made it in and yall didn't, considering yall made it to your conference championship, and ND didnt even make their conference tourney.
Re: Re: Florida got screwed I have to agree with you, UFGator98, considering the run Florida made in the conference tourney. Leaving them out of the NT has to be one of the stupidest things I've ever seen. (I know I was arguing that they shouldn't be in, but that was before the confernce tournament.) Yea, they got screwed. It's almost as bad as the way Emory got screwed in DIII last year. (but not quite) Exactly what I was thinking. They could have, SHOULD have, left out Notre Dame. Florida is much more deserving.
And not only that, but Notre Dame is hosting the first 2 round? This committee really smoked some crack. Florida and Duke not making it is a travesty, what the hell is the point of playing a tough schedule anymore if you don't get rewarded for it? And West Virginia and UConn, seeded ahead of UCLA, Portland and Santa Clara? What did I miss? And UConn a team Florida beat, hmmm? Not much in this committee's selections makes much sense.
Florida - Notre Dame I understand that Florida is deserving of making the tourny. Indeed they should have. They beat two good teams in the SEC tourny and lost to a very good team. However, until the PAC 10 has a conference tournament you cannot decide a teams ability to play in the NCAA tournament based on making it or not making it to the tournament. I agree Notre Dame should not go, but no becuase of them not making their tournament.
are they saying the big east is a super conference? thats rediclious really its not like it was some small school with a auto bid either...i guess waldrum has more stroke...then again remember mens bball when a bad UNC team got an undersiving bid...and made it to the final four...past tourney performance does have some weight...but shouldnt have any...what bull.
Who is on this committee this year? Personally I don't think Auburn deserved it over Florida. Florida did get screwed. Auburn played a relatively weak schedule and lost to LSU first round. The funny thing is LSU actually thought they had a chance to get in. Oh that's right, there's that small matter of a weak schedule!! Anyway, let's face it. Most of the teams that get in don't have chance in heck of getting anywhere. It's all about bragging rights. Not that that makes UFGATOR feel any better--but we've got next year!!!
In this case, there's no way past tourney performance made a difference, at least not in Florida's case. I mean, after all they did win the title in 1998 and made the final 4 last year, along with making the tournament the last 6 years. In today's Gville Sun, Becky and Jordan are quoted as saying they deserve to be in and they'd be surprised if they didn't make it. I mean, the schedule they played was one of the toughest, I count at least 10 games against tournament teams, hell, they went 1-1-1 against top 8 seeds, had wins over UConn, Nebraska and Tennessee, it's just a joke that they were left out. I would love to have listened to the committee making their selections, not sure how they can not think Florida or Duke belongs, but teams like San Diego, Arizona State, Notre Dame and Ole Miss do belong. You say you reward teams for playing tough schedules but aside from ND, neither of those other 3 that made it played a tough schedule.
I'll bet the Ohio State win in their tournament kept Florida out and that UF was #65 with Duke #66. I really did not think they would take all 8 ACC teams, but I did think NC State would be out. WF was not good in the second half of the year, and I thought they might be at risk. So, next year, let's say Duke has a pretty darn good ACC year and at the end of the tournament are 4-4-1 after losing in their tournament semifinals. In their remaining 11 games, from the looks of this year's selection they probably have to go no worse than 8-3, maybe 7-4. Some of those might be ties, and count for NOTHING as far as qualifying. Should Duke and Florida play each other again next year as they have the past 2 years (both at UF), and should Duke also schedule Tennessee?--I'm not sure they should if getting to the NCAAs is the standard they're shooting for
Washington got screwed too. They beat some very good teams and were in 5th place in the Pac. The selection committee took AZ State who was in 7th place and played a weak schedule. Go figure!
hmmm that proves ape wasnt on the committee...no hope solo...honestly some of these brackets make as much sense as the fifa WPOTY balloting!
I understand and would be pissed if I were a Florida fan. Last year Ohio State and Arizona State got screwed so maybe this is justice for them.
AZ State did NOT get screwed last year. They lost to NAU and Oregon. They had one good win and two horrible losses. How did they get screwed?
Perhaps you have a point, but I would have taken ASU over the rediculous amount of teams from the Big East last year. Ironic that last year Ohio State was screwed and then this year gets a bid with a losing record and ends up screwing someone else.
I agree that the committee has a very skewed view of things - how does Kentucky get in and Florida not? Why does Notre Dame get to host once again where they are vitually unbeatable? Was Purdue asked to host and refused? Why does Marquette get to host again after finishing fifth in their conference and losing in the conference finals? As long as automatic bids go to tourny winners, and not conference winners, this will always happen.
Becky comments on the snub in today's Gainesville Sun. She's absolutely shocked and looking at it objectively has no clue why they didn't get in. She's contemplating playing a weaker schedule in the future because it obviously didn't matter and the committee didn't care who you played, they just looked at wins. She wonders how schools like UK and Ole Miss from the SEC got in but UF didn't. She's right on every account, no reason UF should have been left out, total screw job. http://www.gatorsports.com/apps/pbc...1112&Category=GATORS16&ArtNo=211120320&Ref=AR
Check this out: http://www.soccerbuzz.com/beat/nobids02.htm Kind of interesting to read what he has to say. I still think UF deserved a shot at it, but with the weak teams that automatically get in it really limits it. The buzz article lists LSU as a bubble team. That in itself says a lot. That a team with their horrendous schedule (and so many losses to most of the teams in the conference that they barely made it into the SECs) could even be near the bubble makes you have to stop and think. They shouldn't even be considered in the same category as teams like UF, UW and I'll even add Georgia which really had a horrid season, but played tight with some tough teams and had some good wins (Not to say they belonged in the tourny--they didn't).
Gators were 5-3-1 in the SEC and 5-6-1 against NCAA qualifiers (including a 2-2 tie with Santa Clara). They have a good NCAA tournament history, holding one of the few NCAA titles that UNC did not win. It really is a travesty that they did not get in. Kentucky is 3-6 against qualifiers and did not make it to the conference final (although they too went into overtime w/ SEC Champion Tennessee). It just doesn't make sense. This makes the BCS look like a well-oiled machine.
I can't agree with your reasoning. First of all history in the tournament has no bearing on the selection process. The Florida team that won the championship is gone, as is last years team. Secondly, I agree that Florida played a very hard schedule compared to some of the teams that got in, however, you need to win more of those games. Nine losses is unacceptable.
and one more thing, those teams that play a weak schedule won't get very far in the tournament. The players will get to train for a few more days and then get bounced in the next week. Their weak schedule will not prepare them for the big teams. Do you really think the 64th team could beat a Penn State, Texas A&M and a Portland back to back, probably on the road. I don't think so. There are still only 6 teams that could win the national championship.
I think the 65th, 66th, and 67th teams could have won two games and advanced to the next weekend. There are a lot of teams that could advance to the final four in the tournament, and that's the goal they all have right now.
David there might be some upsets in the first round but the 64th team along with the others below 40 are unlikely to make it past the second weekend. Regarding the final four, it will be the usual suspects. There has not been too many changes in the final four teams over the past 5-6 years. The national champion will come from either Stanford, Portland, Santa Clara, UNC or UCLA. There is still quite a gap between the top ten teams and all the rest. Include in the top ten, Texas, Texas A & M but they are stuck in the bracket of death.
I only mentioned history in the tournament because someone mentioned that it could be a factor in the process. I agree that 9 losses is unacceptable and had they won more games they would have had a much better chance, but they still did better against the harder teams than Kentucky and they made it to the SEC final while Kentucky and Ole Miss did not.