If they sell out every game in their 30K seat stadium, they'd finish 17th in attendance based on 2023 results. The Dodgers averaged ~45K per game. To match their revenue, they'd have to charge 50% more on everything. Average ticket price for LAD = $209. Set the average ticket price for LVA at $300 and they'll be competitive. https://www.statista.com/statistics/193673/average-ticket-price-in-the-mlb-by-team/ Damn, baseball got expensive.
such a bad long term move I'm thinking back to when the Giants were trying to get their new stadium and were close to moving to Tampa Bay... what was the better long term move for baseball? Sticking it out in SF a few more years in dumpy candlestick to get their palace in SOMA or moving to small market Tampa? MLB moving the A's to vegas is so short sighted... they should've fought to get howard terminal over the line. I get the feeling Fisher doesn't have the funds to do howard terminal between the decline in gap revenues and increase in interest rates making borrowing money for projects like this more expensive.
The thing about Howard Terminal is that they turned it into a massive development project and then admitted that it was "too audacious". There must have been some middle ground between Coliseum site and Howard Terminal massive audacious real estate project. It's like if you're offering a deal for something you don't really want in the first place, ask for the moon, just in case. So they asked for the moon, and what do you know! It was "too audacious", by their own admission. Oh well, guess we "have to" move to LV!
A's did a lot of shitty things during this process—against fanbase, raising prices, bailing on negotiations—but @davekaval's 2018 letter seeking the Coliseum site "to ensure that the A’s would possess one assured route to a new privately financed stadium in Oakland" is the worst. https://t.co/UwgKic7x7Y— Matt Ortega (@MattOrtega) November 17, 2023 Did the A’s commit fraud? The purchase of the Coliseum site was to ensure a backup plan if Howard Terminal failed. The A’s committed to staying in Oakland. With that agreement, the A’s bought super-prime real estate at sub-prime fees. I’m not a lawyer, but that seems…wrong.— P. Sherman (@RichardHaick) November 17, 2023
The A's ripping off Oakland appeared to be the Fisher-Kaval business plan. Maybe their entire business plan.
Rooted in San Jose? Happy Founding Day San Jose!246 years. Glad to be a part of it. #VamosSJ pic.twitter.com/DAOvFNsBhy— San Jose Earthquakes (@SJEarthquakes) November 29, 2023
This whole thread was always idiotic (reminder that I didn't create it or come up with the title, some trigger happy mod broke it off from the Fisher thread) but if shovels go in the ground for this development it becomes really ridiculous to imagine cheapo Fisher abandoning the stadium and practice / training facility he'll have paid for and built in expensive San Jose (selling eventually is a different story) in favor of the Vegas desert. BREAKING: Earthquakes & Santa Clara County Plan to Partner with City of San Jose to Build State-of-The-Art Public Soccer Fields at the SCC FairgroundsPhoto by @SJEarthquakes #Quakes74 #MLS #MLSCup #BayArea #Sfgiants #rootedinoakland #FTTB #dubs pic.twitter.com/cfstH73hRM— Favian Renkel (@FavianRenkel) December 5, 2023
Anybody think Fisher feels this way? As the person who makes all of the final decisions, the onus for the state of the team ultimately rests with you. How do you plan to accept that culpability in your effort to turn things around? I look in the mirror and the buck stops with me. If there’s anything wrong with the Raiders since I’ve taken over and it’s been a failure on the football side, it’s my failure. I’m the one who’s hiring people. So, there’s nowhere to pass any of it but to me. But we’re coming up to bat. Let’s see if we can get it right this time. I would love for the guys that are in this job right now to be able to keep it, but we’ll see how that goes.
1. Does Fisher not have any money? 2. How does Dave Kaval still have a job? "Trop land owner (Gaming and Leisure Properties, Inc.) brought in respected Marnell Companies for renderings and consultation—conclusion was space is too limited for retractable roof design, so more room needed, but due to proximity to the airport, the planned resort can’t make up revenue (due to smaller footprint) by building higher. These obstacles in addition to Bally’s Corp. having no resources and A’s having provided no clues about its $1 billion contribution. If the A’s move happens at all, look to the Festival Grounds or Rio." Props to Field of Schemes for staying on the A’s trainwreck. Related: Trop land owner (Gaming and Leisure Properties, Inc.) brought in respected Marnell Companies for renderings and consultation—conclusion was space is too limited for retractable roof design, so more room needed,… https://t.co/Q3CN6NQKR8— Vital Vegas (@VitalVegas) January 23, 2024 Right.— Vital Vegas (@VitalVegas) January 24, 2024 Correct. Financial institutions actually read proposals and contracts before agreeing to them, unlike our elected officials. https://t.co/vaRzavrc4X— Vital Vegas (@VitalVegas) January 24, 2024 He isn’t contributing anything.— Vital Vegas (@VitalVegas) January 24, 2024
Building a new domed baseball stadium and playing on artificial turf would be absolutely ridiculous in the 21st century when MLB teams are worth billions.
I really wonder why he doesn’t sell. All these headaches, and everyone hates him, and it’s not getting any better? Nowhere to play the next what 3 years? And he’s got buyers.
Almost as exciting as the Burgum presidential campaign... The emcee tries to get the Vegas business folks hyped over the Las Vegas @Athletics and has to check their pulse.That, my friends, is the sound of a relocation landing like a dud. pic.twitter.com/S2UN4N2qf8— Matt Ortega (@MattOrtega) January 24, 2024
This is the most Fisher has spoken in his entire life... Here’s A’s owner John Fisher on stadium plan for Vegas. pic.twitter.com/l2whGhZVLR— LVSportsBiz.com (@LVSportsBiz) January 24, 2024 John Fisher on design on Vegas stadium. pic.twitter.com/dfVXtdK4YQ— LVSportsBiz.com (@LVSportsBiz) January 24, 2024 John Fisher on what he will be doing with the A’s until 2028 pic.twitter.com/pZLcSOTOLJ— LVSportsBiz.com (@LVSportsBiz) January 24, 2024 Athletics owner John Fisher said he “gave everything he had” to try to keep the A’s in the bay area pic.twitter.com/9zpfa4zD0E— LVSportsBiz.com (@LVSportsBiz) January 24, 2024
Echoes of AEG “giving everything they had” to find a local owner for the Quakes or to find a stadium deal here.
Reminds me of the time the SJ Sports Authority guy (Dean Munroe?) tried to use a save the Quakes rally to get a cheer for A’s to SJ and he got … crickets.
Same guy quoted in the Mercury News as saying "the universe of people who like soccer is very small."
It was a monumental failure to read the room. Here he was standing in front of a crowd in Quakes gear, there for a Quakes rally, and he thought that “yeah, soccer, OK, but what everyone here *really* wants is A’s in SJ!” Maybe the “universe of people who like soccer” is small when the universe is his SJ Country Club buddies but maybe he should get out more?
Unprecedented levels of incompetence... ‘Strong Public Schools Nevada’ Files Lawsuit Challenging Constitutionality of Stadium Project | Nevada State Education Association Las Vegas Mayor: A’s Plans ‘Don’t Make Sense’ Las Vegas Mayor Carolyn Goodman applauds the city’s rise as a sports destination with one exception: the Oakland A’s. Mayor Goodman told Front Office Sports that she believes the team’s plans at the Tropicana site don’t make sense and that the team ought to stay in Oakland. She also discussed a potential NBA team there, and how the city will adjust in future years hosting Formula 1 to mitigate harm to small businesses. So Vegas doesn't even want them??
I'm betting JF only sets foot in San Jose for a Quakes game now and then. If he has any real ties to the community, I'm unaware of them.