First US Case of Mad Cow Disease (BSE) reported.

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by jamison, Dec 23, 2003.

  1. jamison

    jamison Member

    Sep 25, 2000
    NYC
    Cnn is reporting the first US case of Mad Cow disease, though it is yet to be fully confirmed.

    Veneman is the Agriculture Secretary, btw.

    Anyone else getting that blackout deja vu. When there was the east coast blackout the first thing they said was "We don't know what it was, but it's not terrorism". I'm not suggesting this is terrorism, but the first quote is that they aren't sure if anyone has eaten the infected meat, but we're all still safe.

    Phew. I feel better.
     
  2. DoyleG

    DoyleG Member+

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    Jan 11, 2002
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    Who cares.

    Slam the border shut.
     
  3. Garcia

    Garcia Member

    Dec 14, 1999
    Castro Castro
    Who cares?

    Ummm, there are reports of some sort of national recall, voluntary, as of right now.
     
  4. I eat very little beef & my family none at all. :D

    Still, it's not good for our beef industry who were enjoying record prices lately.
     
  5. Garcia

    Garcia Member

    Dec 14, 1999
    Castro Castro
    I own two restaurants and like my meat!
     
  6. DoyleG

    DoyleG Member+

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    It's easy to have high rpices when you shout out most of your competition.
     
  7. Michael K.

    Michael K. Member

    Mar 3, 1999
    There or Thereabouts
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    Abstinence is the only 100% effective defense ;)
     
  8. Sneever Flion

    Sneever Flion New Member

    Oct 29, 2002
    Detroit, MI
    Looks like I'm sticking to veal.
     
  9. el_urchinio

    el_urchinio Member

    Jun 6, 2002
    Boy, I'm getting a massive case of schadenfreude right here. 6 months ago one case of mad cow here in Canada cause such a commotion in the US, you'd have thought entire herds were dropping like flies from it. Guess it's our turn to overreact now.
     
  10. Norsk Troll

    Norsk Troll Member+

    Sep 7, 2000
    Central NJ
    You do realize, I hope, that there really is no other kind of meat recall other than "voluntary"? http://www.fsis.usda.gov/OA/background/bkrecalls.htm. The meat industry is not required to comply with a USDA recommendation for a recall. And even when a recall occurs, the rate of recovery is only about 30%.

    Because, you know, it's much more important that the USDA have the power to levy a fine for marketing an undersize potato than have the ability to mandate a recall of tainted food that could potentially kill you.
     
  11. kwik1980

    kwik1980 New Member

    May 27, 2003
    Norwich, NY
    Officials were at pains to point out that the risk of an American actually contracting Mad Cow from an infected US source is slim. If you are eating muscle cuts of meat, scientifically, you are in no danger of contracting Mad Cow. The danger comes in when you consume brain matter, or other nerve tissue, which has not entered the food supply.

    So, assuming that the government is telling the truth, there is no danger, but perception will severely hurt exports of meat.
     
  12. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
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    You do realize that this quote will be taken out of context on the rivalry board, right?
     
  13. topcow

    topcow New Member

    Nov 23, 2000
    New York
    I know that cow, he's crazy!
     
  14. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
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    Jan 25, 2002
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    Haven't there been numerous human deaths from BSE here in the States already? I personally know of one woman who died from it more than one year ago.

    I suppose they must have contracted outside the US, however.
     
  15. shwantzme

    shwantzme Member

    Jul 11, 2003
    The Old Dominion
    Veal is beef
     
  16. dfb547490

    dfb547490 New Member

    Feb 9, 2000
    The Heights
    Isn't there a version of it found in sheep as well that's exported into humans far more easily--it's just not as common because most people eat a lot more beef than mutton?
     
  17. bert patenaude

    Apr 16, 2001
    White Plains, NY
    History has shown governments do not often tell the truth.
     
  18. Sneever Flion

    Sneever Flion New Member

    Oct 29, 2002
    Detroit, MI
    Yup. But it's milk-fed beef. Little chance the darlings are eating effed up brain matter from a cousin of theirs.
     
  19. Norsk Troll

    Norsk Troll Member+

    Sep 7, 2000
    Central NJ
    Well, you know what they say about assuming ...

    That doesn't cover, however, your ground beef, sausages, hot dogs, etc., that grind up various parts of the cow, which may in fact include the at-risk parts. And places like McDonald's don't get the young healthy 2 year old cows ground up for their burgers - they get the old, cheap, no-longer-producing dairy cows, which are more at risk of having been exposed to the disease. Given how many McBurgers are eaten in this country, compared to how many t-bone steaks - do you still want to bet your life on what the industy-driven government mouthpiece says?
     
  20. Michael K.

    Michael K. Member

    Mar 3, 1999
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    There may have been a few cases of it over the last couple years, with people getting the disease outside the country - not totally sure of that. You may also be thinking of Chronic Wasting Disease, which affects deer and has caused a few deaths in humans after they ate venison.
     
  21. YITBOS

    YITBOS Member+

    Jul 2, 2001
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    From what our friends at the Minnestoa FRAC say, veal is Mooo-Rific!!

    [​IMG]
     
  22. microbrew

    microbrew New Member

    Jun 29, 2002
    NJ
    Has the US outlawed the practice of rendering dead animals into livestock feed? If not, why?
    What protections were put into place after the BSE outbreaks, first in England, than in Canada?

    Various news reports were talking about how agri-business was fighting restrictions on what can be done with cattle who can't walk right, which is a sign of BSE.

    Now I'm sticking with pork and chicken. Though supposedly you're okay if you stick with muscle cuts, and no ground beef or beef on the bone. But cross conmination is always possible... Seriously, though wouldn't it be better to prevent BSE from getting in the food supply, then dealing with it later? It's like saying it's okay to contaminate food with salmonella, because people should prepare it properly.
     
  23. Norsk Troll

    Norsk Troll Member+

    Sep 7, 2000
    Central NJ
    And as per the article, this particular cow was a "downer" - meaning he was unable to walk at the slaughterhouse. And although that mandated testing, it is obvious that it triggered no containment strategy or prohibition on slaughter, packaging and distribution - all of which happened even before the test results were received, apparently. Face facts - the outbreaks in England and elsewhere have had NO impact on safety measures here in the US. Clinton was slow to do anything to improve the situation (1997, I believe), and Bush has undone everything Clinton put in place.
     
  24. SJFC4ever

    SJFC4ever New Member

    May 12, 2000
    Edinburgh
    That is scrapie. It doesn't have serious health implications though because it does not have the same effect on sheep as cattle.


    The major precaution that was taken here that prevented more spread into humans was the moves made in 1989, which banned meat from certain areas, particularly the spinal cord, being used for human consumption. This was a very good move because then there was no evidence that it could be spread from cattle to humans (which was all but proven in 1996).

    Fortunately these regulations have meant that although millions of cattle died from BSE in the UK, "only" 140 people have died from variant CJD (the human equivalent).

    I think all these countries banning American beef (and the Canadian example before it) is an overreaction. It could be that these countries wanted to ban it anyway, since it helps their own producers and there are some concerns about the use of growth hormones (which is why there is little, if not none, American beef sold in UK).

    Foot and mouth, even though it does not have the human health implication, is more serious since it is highly contagious and forces mass slaughter policies. BSE gets more attention since it makes good television to show a cow wobbling on its back legs and has a scary colloquial name.
     
  25. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002

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