First debate between VP Harris and Trump...The only one? Tues 10 Sept 2024, 9pm EDT

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by charlie15, Sep 4, 2024.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Post-debate polls dropping. Looks great but regression to the mean is the norm. It'll tighten a little bit and then he'll debate again. Another disaster or even a draw and she'll probably win it
    1834718362045124850 is not a valid tweet id
     
  2. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    Sounders78 said:
    While most Belgians are wonderful people, there are those who are very uptight...

    Well, if you Brits would stop referring to Poirot being French maybe it would help! ;)
     
    SamScouse and Naughtius Maximus repped this.
  3. Hayaka

    Hayaka Member+

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Francisco North Bay, Bel Marin Keys
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    When Harris took over for Biden, the Dems were probably down by 5% or so in NC. Since then, as you acknowledge, the 538 polls have her now up slightly. Not by a lot, but clearly in a much better position than in July and with the state trending toward Harris since she has become the nominee.

    Moreover, my initial post was towards the Dutchman who was alleging Harris had stalled and Trump had the upper hand based on RCP data. That is clearly not true and that is what I was pushing back against when I made the NC comment.
     
    Deadtigers and charlie15 repped this.
  4. Hayaka

    Hayaka Member+

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Francisco North Bay, Bel Marin Keys
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    charlie15 and Deadtigers repped this.
  5. QuakeAttack

    QuakeAttack Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    California - Bay Area
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are you referring to Eric looking pissed at his father or junior thinking "really, I'm his son?".
     
    soccernutter repped this.
  6. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    I Don't Know...3rd Base! :confused:
     
    bigredfutbol and soccernutter repped this.
  7. Kazuma

    Kazuma Member+

    Chelsea
    Jul 30, 2007
    Detroit
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    I see stories like this and really think the pro-life people deserve to be smacked with their Bibles until they get a concussion.
     
    Mike03, ElNaranja, roby and 3 others repped this.
  8. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
    Club:
    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I understand what you were saying.

    Now take the time to understand what I am saying.

    Unless you have an average of polls wherein one candidate is reliably -- I am using reliable in the statistical sense -- ahead by 5 or more, you should not claim either candidate is "leading." The margin of error for state polling in elections where Donald Trump is a candidate is very high.
     
  9. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
    Club:
    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    North Carolina. That's why I linked to North Carolina's 538 forecast.

    National polls and £3.50 buy you a cup of coffee.
     
  10. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It’s the norm because normal candidates react to a bad debate in the right way.

    Trump is refusing to do a second debate, and he’s making Haitians in Springfield a key talking point, and he has taken on Lara Loomer as either a lover, an advisor, or maybe both.

    I submit, that’s not the right way.

    Normal people are capable of reacting to a failure in a helpful, positive way. Trump is literally not capable of that.
     
  11. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Not sure that's true.

    I remember a TV show that did a straw poll where people were asked to name someone famous from various countries (footballers were excluded), and when it got to Belgium, Poirot was the only one anyone could think of :D
     
  12. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Can I just point out I come here to be made to feel better and you're doing the opposite... please stop :(
     
    dapip, roby and Deadtigers repped this.
  13. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I gotta say, I look at the polling, (whichever way it's running), and then look at what he's doing and think, HOW?!?!?!
     
    Mike03, Pønch, xtomx and 5 others repped this.
  14. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    What has to be kept in mind is that Trump's vote share has not moved in all of this, including getting shot. He is locked, but we don't know exactly what his turnout and enthusiasm will be.

    The Biden campaign was in a shockingly bad place and set to lose in catastrophic fashion. Perhaps even losing the popular vote. Kamala has rebounded big time, but not to Biden '20 levels

    Kamala has more upside to grow into. As has been pointed out at least a million times, many of the voters she needs to get are hard to reach younger and low propensity voters who already don't like Mango. Reaching these voters is hard!

    So by the time the convo is on the margins in PA, it could be Kamala has a big enthusiasm advantage that the polls are not seeing, or she could actually be losing, like Brummie says
     
  15. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Pfeiffer was once more talking about how the national media simply can't help Kamala reach the voters under 30 she needs to reach, and why that's potentially quite a big structural problem for US democracy

    Especially Mango has been focussing on the bro-class of podcasts who have access to these people. Even if trump doesn't go on these pods, there is an extremely unhealthy dynamic out there - think clowns like Rogan and rapists like Tate and endless grifters and propagandists

    Pfeiffer joked that Walz needs to go on every sports podcast he can between now and november - and that is kind of correct
     
    soccernutter, Mike03, spejic and 2 others repped this.
  16. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
  17. FormerGermanGuy

    Mar 1, 2001
    Indianapolis
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All of this is true. But Trump's reaction to bad news is always, always, to double down. And despite any norms or logic, it has worked for him time and time again. While I am feeling good about our prospects, our chickens have not hatched yet.
     
  18. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
    Club:
    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No. Go knock on some doors.
     
    roby, Deadtigers and Naughtius Maximus repped this.
  19. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    You're mean!
     
  20. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Like, “how is he polling in the double digits?” I know.

    I’ve been asking that since early 2016. The answers are terrifying.
     
    soccernutter, Mike03, charlie15 and 5 others repped this.
  21. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    This is why I suspect democracy doesn't survive in it's current format.

    There are just too many fascists out there
     
  22. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
    On the road
    You are aware of how fat, stoopid, ignorant, racist, sexist, and self serving the average American is, right?


    Then, accept the fact that half of Americans are fatter, stoopider, more ignorant, more racist, more sexist, and more self serving than "the average."


    Then, add into it that the media are SELLING stories, not TELLING stories, all with the aim of selling "the horserace" to a witless and ignorant populace. After all, they gotta get the clicks, the ratings, and the eyeballs, feed that algo, and grab that cash.



    ...that's "HOW."
     
  23. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    Olympia
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Article on the actual "DEI" candidates:

     
    soccernutter, dapip, Mike03 and 2 others repped this.
  24. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    TBH I'm not even sure the fascists are the only problem, (although they're the big one, obviously). I just think there are too many people willing to give simplistic answers to complex questions.

    This is also the case with people who think of themselves as being on the left who give answers designed around a list of 'people to blame', (often in business and finance), and while they're clearly part of the problem, they're not the ONLY ones.
     
    luftmensch repped this.
  25. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    Olympia
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    France

    America has largely embraced anti-intellectualism.
     
    onefineesq, soccernutter, dapip and 8 others repped this.

Share This Page