First debate between VP Harris and Trump...The only one? Tues 10 Sept 2024, 9pm EDT

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  1. bigredfutbol

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    Yeah, he showed his whole ass there--his decision to make compliments about appearance all about sexuality says more about him than you or I. He's got issues, that ain't a normal reaction to "I think this other person is very good-looking".

    I can't wait to tell my wife about this. Her eyes are going to roll all the way to the back of her head, because in her mind what's really misogynist is how the male gaze sexualizes women so that any attempt to look nice or pay attention to her looks becomes nothing more than permission for others to sexualize them. Sounders is projecting, big-time
     
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  2. SamScouse

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    how long have you been waiting to post something like that?

    jesus man, grow up ffs.
     
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  4. Minnman

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    I won't share any personal opinions I may have about Harris' appearance, other than to say that she looks the part. Very presidential, in control, a leader.

    She also has her own, sincere way of connecting with people, and there's an undeniable, physical aspect to that. I mentioned Clinton, above. Not sure if it was the 'boxers or briefs' town hall, but I recall watching one where he was simply masterful in how he'd connect with people in the room, look then in the eye, make them think and feel as though he was speaking solely to them, and yet simultaneously he was obviously aware that he was speaking to the camera. I think Harris would knock it out of the park in such a debate setting.

    And then there's the natural, caring way she interacts with people. In one recent video, she was in a Penzeys in Pittsburgh, just connecting with the customers and people who work there. It was planned, to an extent, but the grace and warmth she showed as she met these people, hugged a few of them, sure as hell felt natural to me. Four years ago, I thought Biden showed a similar, honest capacity to connect like that, albeit via a very different physical style (they both seem to be huggers, however). I've not forgotten about that hand-held video of him meeting in a crowd a little boy who stuttered and who's father brought him to an event to see Biden. A totally unscripted moment. He crouched down and talked to the boy about his own stutter, just looked him in the eye and boosted his boy's self-confidence; asked his father if it was okay with him if he could write to his son. I'm absolutely convinced he'd have had the same interaction if no camera were present.

    Obviously, there's a difference between connecting with someone emotionally and physically, and doing so in a way that's somehow tinged with sexuality. So there's a difference. But sometimes both aspects are present (personally, I think it's pretty common). I doubt that really comes as a shock to anyone. Nor is it, in most cases a bad thing. Newsflash: People are sometimes attracted to other people. I hope no one in here would ever argue that such an attraction eliminates the possibility that the person feeling the attraction might also be able to appreciate that individual in other, deeply meaningful ways.
     
  5. Sounders78

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    I just remind you all that a (or is it the only) female poster has called someone out for sexualizing comments in the last week or so. Just because straight males aren't offended when comments about females are made, does not mean those comments are appropriate.
     
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  6. The Irish Rover

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    Vance worked with David Frum from around 2008, impressing him enormously with his intelligence, self-discipline, hard work, etc. Frum's take, which is eeriely similar to his college room mate's, is that Vance is "a mimic and a mirror, refracting back to you what you were saying to him, only a little better than how you had said it to him in the first place."

    Vance isn't the only enormously impressive individual Frum has worked with, sometimes even for on the conservative side down the years. Almost to a man they folded for Trump, saying and then voting for things by 2017 that they'd rather have stuck needles in their eyes than say or vote for in, say, 2012.

    That they knew what they were doing was both wrong and dangerous is a given and for Frum it was tragic to witness. What he found truly frightening, however, were the ones who began that way before they became defensive about it, then aggressive before becoming true believers -- and how little time it took.

    Because it demands so much emotional self-discipline, long-term conscious hypocrisy is actually quite rare. People may start as hypocrites, but in most cases, their thoughts fall into line with their words. In Nietzche's words:
    “I have done that', says my memory. 'I cannot have done that' says my pride, which is unshakeable. Memory yields.”​

    Vance is bankrolled by Peter Thiel so he hangs around with guys like Sacks, incElon, etc. A lot. He's mirroring back to them what they have in mind for America and the world, only he's doing it in public. That's what scares me. It should scare the bejesus out of everyone.
     
  7. roadkit

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    Sorry My Dude -- that statement needs no qualifiers.

    She's smokin'.

    While I am not gay myself, I can totally see why a Dude or Dudette might find Kinzinger smokin' too.
     
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  8. SamScouse

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    or necessarily inappropriate.
     
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  9. The Irish Rover

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    Man, nobody on here said anything like that.

    You really want to be horrified, you should see the names of rock climbing routes. Or climbing terms. Or go climbing with a very lesbian climber. That was fun but she would've mortified most.
     
  11. The Irish Rover

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    1833830172791095651 is not a valid tweet id
     
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    The only sexual comments were made by you.
     
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    Well, as a female poster -- I wonder if you all have missed the women swooning over Sheldon Whitehouse "his rumpled hotness." I don't see a problem with admiring the looks of men, women, or my dogs (for that matter). However, if you say to someone "you're way too good looking to be a <whatever> -- have you thought about going into modeling instead?" yeah, that's insulting. Not to step over the line into some of the cruder comments (MTG and Arby's, for example).
     
  15. The Irish Rover

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    #815 The Irish Rover, Sep 12, 2024
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    My daughter (21):
    Kamala Harris is kinda hot. She's pretty cool too. :thumbsup:
     
  16. The Irish Rover

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  17. The Irish Rover

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    Tell me more.

    Sounds like I have some competition in the nasty barb stakes.

    @Q*bert Jones III Bring it on ;)
     
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  18. The Irish Rover

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    Probably my favourtie debate meme
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  19. The Irish Rover

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    When a picture paints 1,000 words.
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    One of the first laws the next congress ought to pass, is stronger punishment for stochastic terrorism:

     
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  21. SamScouse

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    from the political cartoon thread ...

     
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  22. diablodelsol

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    What kind of heat we talkin ‘bout here? Like “Damn bro…nice one” ? Or are we talking losing an Olympic medal situation?
     
  23. superdave

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    If I knew that I forgot it. I know early on in her fame I googled around to see if she might be related to the only other person in my life I’ve ever heard of with the last name Alcindor.

    She is night.
     
  24. The Irish Rover

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    How did what started with this
    produce an exchange that ended with this
     
  25. superdave

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