First debate between VP Harris and Trump...The only one? Tues 10 Sept 2024, 9pm EDT

My kids are way better behaved and smarter than he is.

 

That bar is so low an ant would have trouble getting under it.

 

So this is what the Repugnants. 50% of the voting population, will be voting for.
WTF is wrong with these people ???

Wrong thread, Sue me.

 

Biden did it in 2020.

 

Here’s a fun one for all parents of two kids. When #1 complains about something and whatsbouts #2, come back with, sweetie, that’s because we love #2 more than we love you.

Works every time.

 

That........ wouldn't work here.

 

Here, what are women feeling guilty about? I thought maybe you meant about not carrying a baby to term, in which case the peripheral things I’ve learned about historical abortions is that in many times and places it carried no stigma.

The era known as the Victorian Era is called that because it was a change to more conservative, repressed attitudes. (Not to mention that it seems to have been a UK-Eastern US phenomenon only.) Considering the lack of medical care for venereal diseases plus the medical risks of pregnancy plus the lack of solid pregnancy prevention, whenever I read about all the fvckin’ going on in olden days, I’m amazed. But yeah, in many times and places, there was a lot of sex outside of a husband trying to get his wife pregnant. A LOT.

 

They won’t pull that shit again for a while, I can tell you that.

In all seriousness, I literally did this, but only once the child was old enough that I knew s/he didn’t believe it and was trying to manipulate me.

Here’s another freebie. When your child tries to play you against your spouse, trying to make you choose between the child and the spouse, tell em, remember, I had you. I chose her.

 

I'm used to watching a MLS match where the PRO referee allows the opposing team to constantly foul your team while showing no cards.

 

Yah, I don't know. I mean, Biden won the election and (I'd argue) won the debates, but not sure there was cause and effect.

At this point, nothing seems to move the polls:

• A candidate gets indicted and convicted. Race still (virtually) tied.
• A candidate gets replaced: Race still tied.
• A candidate gets shot at: Race still tied.
• VPs announced: Race still tied.
• Trump comes up with the worst slogan in POTUS campaign history: Race still tied.

I'm no longer falling for the "upcoming event X is critical to the race". Well, I never did but many in here have (especially the first one in the above list ). The race will still be a dead heat 2 weeks from now. The above examples either mean everyone's minds are made up or it takes a lot more than a 90-minute debate to get the undecided voters to make up their feeble minds.

 

This.

Debates do not matter as much as they did decades ago. Candidates can and do lie on stage, media types stumblebum their way to their stoopid stories, and not much changes.

As long as Harris doesn't sh!t herself onstage, nothing will change.

The orange turd WILL sh!t himself on stage, and the media will stumblebum their way to excuse his fvkcups.


At this point, its all about driving turnout, IMO.

 

Since 2016, we've been waiting for the Trump base to implode. It's a national embarrassment that it hasn't. But I think we've also come to accept that it simply won't.

That said, it doesn't take the implosion of his base to win this election. We saw that in 2020. A debate that goes in Harris' favor, especially one where Trump look and acts... well, like Trump, will benefit Harris in the margins. Embedded in most of the polls we're seeing is that the undecided voter generally isn't undecided about Trump. They know him (it's his 3rd election, after all). If they liked him, they'd already be in his camp. They claim they need to know more about Harris.

Trump has basically nailed down his 2020 base already in this election; he's more or less hit his ceiling. Harris has room to grow. It's not guaranteed she will, but a good debate result for her is likely to be what a chunk of undecided voters will need to see before saying they'll support her.

None of which makes this into an easy election. But it would make it more winnable.

As would more endorsements by people like Romney, Bush, Christie, etc.

 

You guys keep expecting One Thing that will put Trump at 40% or whatever. If that’s your expectation, sure.

 

"Expecting?" No.

Debates do not matter, even though the imbeciles in the media want you to believe it to be so.

It ain't 1975 any more.

 

MPE. The last presidential debate is why it’s Harris and not Biden! lol

Facts>vibes

 

Like, f’real, this time frame, right now, is the absolute worst time since 1980 to make the argument that debates don’t matter. Like, wtaf???

 

There are cats and dogs smarter and better behaved than Trump.

 

I know this won’t be the time or place, but a strategy that’s a long term winner for Democrats is being pro union. It’s documented that white union members are significantly more Democratic that similar, non union cohorts. Plus the whole fairness thing. The deunionization of states like Ohio and Indiana are a big part of why they’re Dead Red now.

Anyway, you know Trump is going to go on a rant about “good jobs.” The reality is those factory jobs are only good jobs if they’re union jobs. If factory jobs aren’t union jobs, they’re shitty too.

So I wish there was a good way for Harris to have a prepped response that includes the talking point that Trump’s policies as president were very anti union, and ergo anti “good job.”

 

I haven't really sat down and watched a debate since my first vote in 1984, and I did that ONLY because I was excited to be voting for the first time- no way was I ever going to pull a lever for the likes of a Reagan GOP.

The stakes have always been too high for anything related to the debate to change my vote.

 

My parents had a rather dark sense of humor when it came to raising me and my younger sibling. The kind that when I tell people it, they either laugh in a "that's messed up" kind of way or damn.

A particular favorite of my mom's was, "You're my favorite.... son."

 

I'm not. At this point, I know what to expect from either. If Trump starts dropping N bombs, I'll see it on social media and here. If he does that or flings his feces, CNN and the NY Times will say it's a performance art piece or something. "Trump, in new direction, takes up performance art to illustrate his policies."

What am I going to be doing? I have a job interview on Thursday (wish me luck, all). I will be preparing for that while stopping to play with my cat.

 

Nah, Joe Biden's DOB is why its Harris, and not Biden.

 

Biden’s DOB was the same before and after the debate, and yet the calls for him to step aside began increasing substantially immediately after the debate. What changed?