News: Fire TBD - the Next Coach Thread

Discussion in 'D.C. United' started by morrissey, Oct 8, 2020.

  1. keller4president

    Jan 5, 2006
    Fair point, but Landon and Jermaine have played the modern game. Landon currently coaching at USL level. Might be better as assistants to start, but both bring intense competitiveness and fire to the game.
     
  2. keller4president

    Jan 5, 2006
    Why not more love for Pablo Mastroeni? Think he could be great.
     
  3. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure, Donovan and Jones played the modern game. But that still doesn't make your point valid in any way. John Harkes has done far more at the coaching level than Donovan or Jones have. To say otherwise is demonstrably incorrect.
     
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  4. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    The only thing the MLS of 2021 will have in common with the MLS of 2006-07 (Kinnear) or 2009 (Kreis) is the name. The level of play and rosters are so much better. What might have been good enough more than a decade ago really isn't relevant now. Both Kinnear and Kreis might be good assistant coaches somewhere, but they have demonstrated more recently that they are mediocre (at best) head coaches in the current MLS.
     
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  5. Dizi

    Dizi Member

    Feb 13, 2015
    Club:
    DC United
    Unimpressed

    He's marginally better than Olsen but I think we can afford faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar better to lead DCU even if the FO isn't interested in becoming cup contenders

    He's a likeable character and his teams were not boring but I'd like somebody who can turn this battered group around...Pablo doesn't seem like the guy
     
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  6. Eastern Bear

    Eastern Bear Member+

    Feb 27, 1999
    Great Falls, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    I'm mostly concerned about the philosophy of the coach. How will DC United defend? How will we score goals? Who can improve the fitness levels of our team for the hard MLS season and how?

    I want attacking soccer based on posession. I want a team that is fit so we can make good decisions and touches in the 80th minute to grab points or hold on to them.
     
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  7. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    He's had one good season out of his 3 seasons in the league. That one good season, he played negative unattractive soccer.

    We just left Ben Olsen who pretty much offered the same thing, but more experience.
     
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  8. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    Jill Ellis is a big no for me. I always felt she only won because she had the best players at the deepest teams. The US women never really played any stand out style. No pattern of play offensively or defensively.

    If you give another coach with experience the USWNT job, they would have similar success.
     
  9. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can I answer as any mediocre coach would.

    We attack as a team. We defend as a team.
     
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  10. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    I think this team needs an experienced coach for this transition. After this guy comes through and lays foundations, we can get a younger coach with a defined philosophy to build on the foundation.

    I honestly dont know who that could be, but I know it isnt Wynalda, Harkes, Donovan or anyone like that.

    I know people want an American guy, but he has to be good. Not just American. Quite frankly there are no American names that stand out that are free agents currently.
     
  11. Yowza

    Yowza Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Oct 23, 2019
    Arlington
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The US has always had the best players, but they haven't always won so you really can't say anyone could do it.
    I thought their style was to play direct, and win the ball back quickly. I thought it was pretty clear and well executed, it's modern football.
     
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  12. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    I can see to win the ball back quickly. But direct soccer didn't have a pattern. I feel like certain players quality showed. Regardless of what the offensive game plan was.

    Also this is a random question for you. Why was Lindsey Horan not a regular during the WC. She was in and out of the XI.
     
  13. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    She was something like 15-1-1 in the Olympics and World Cups combined. If you enter the tournament with top 5 talent and you win 2 of 3 major tournaments and a host of smaller accolades like Algarve Cup, She Believes Cup, etc. That's a record any coach would envy. That said, coaching tournaments is much different from coaching a 9 month season. You have to manage minutes and squad rotation more, you need to deal with dips in form & injuries more than in tournament play. She's got a great record of winning with talented teams, but she's never going to have top 5 talent from 1-11 here like the USWMNT and she sure wouldn't have the same kind of talent from 12-18 on the roster. Its a totally different kind of season. She's more proven than some of the men coaching at lower levels, but I'll contend that she's not proven enough to command an MLS job.
     
  14. Theopisa

    Theopisa Member+

    Pisa Sporting Club
    Italy
    Oct 7, 2008
    Venezia
    Club:
    Pisa Calcio
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I agree on almost everything except your last sentence, "I'll contend that she's not proven enough to command an MLS job", she never did before, so we really don't know. Juve gave the head coach job to Pirlo, who has never coached a minute in his life, it's a huge bet, but until they try, they won't know how it's going to be.
     
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  15. keller4president

    Jan 5, 2006
    I'm hearing a lot who people don't want, but not about the candidate that people DO want. So who do you people want?

    Sounds like the only options people will accept is Pochettino, Allardyce, Wenger, Mark Hughes, Van Gaal, or Hiddink (now coaching Curacao). I'd take them too, but none of them will come to DC.
     
  16. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    I'll bite: Of the names thrown about in no particular order: Wagner, Cherundolo, Harkes, Perez. Need more information on Llamosa, Razov and Noonan. Absolute no are: Kreis, Williams, Armas, Kinnear, Petke, Wynalda. The mentions of Ellis are merely clickbait as is Cirovski at Maryland.
     
  17. Hedbal

    Hedbal Member+

    Jul 31, 2000
    DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Most of the names I see mentioned are either coaches with decent records or former players of note Speaking of the latter group, why should a great player be a great coach? (Perhaps we should use the European term "manager" here.) In baseball, I remember reading that catchers often made the best managers because their position behind the plate gave them a synoptic vision of the field and all that went on. Might not a soccer reserve or little-used bench player also gain an impressive command of the game through observation even if he's not that expert himself? A soccer goalkeeper has the same opportunity as a baseball catcher to see the way the game unfolds on the pitch. Do keepers have a built-in advantage as future managers/coaches?
     
  18. GumbyG

    GumbyG Member+

    DC United
    Mar 22, 2007
    Chesapeake, VA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Georgetown coach Brian Wiese was a keeper in his playing days. Haven't heard him mentioned yet.
     
  19. keller4president

    Jan 5, 2006
    Of these, I like Wagner, Llamosa, Razov, or Noonan. I don't see Cherundolo or Harkes being good options at all, very limited coaching experience for both, and neither has immediate knowledge of MLS and its players.
     
  20. Hedbal

    Hedbal Member+

    Jul 31, 2000
    DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And Wagner does?
     
  21. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    You are aware that Harkes has been an assistant in MLS and has 4 years as head coach at Cincy and Greenville. I don't find that to be "very limited coaching experience" at all.
     
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  22. United1

    United1 Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    What about Ted Lasso?
     
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  23. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Close the thread, we have the winner right here.
     
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  24. Hedbal

    Hedbal Member+

    Jul 31, 2000
    DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My choice would be Greg Vanney, who was here very briefly late in his career, but the only reason he would leave Toronto is for a boatload of money and a warmer climate.
     
  25. Yowza

    Yowza Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Oct 23, 2019
    Arlington
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To benni...
    I thought Morgan Brian was chosen ahead of Horan, but eventually Horan got that job back.
     

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