Fire sign Sherjill MacDonald as DP

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  1. supercooper

    supercooper Red Card

    Jun 23, 2008
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  2. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Federico Puppo is a DP too for Chicago and I don't think he's played 90 minutes total yet.
     
  3. DoctorD

    DoctorD Member+

    Sep 29, 2002
    MidAtlantic
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He may or may not be good, but who said a DP has to be a way of allowing you to watch famous stars on the cheap? If he helps them win, that's also a good decision.
     
  4. Heist

    Heist Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the point was that for a forward, those aren't great stats. I've never seen him nor heard of him so perhaps he gets a lot of assists, holds the ball up well, or adds a lot in some other ways, but the stats are not impressive. At least he's younger than many other DPs. Hopefully he'll be good for the league, but not so good that they pass DC United in the standings. :)
     
  5. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    216 minutes (as of July 24)
     
  6. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    DP in Fire's case means: Discount Player, not what you guys think.
     
  7. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I stand corrected.
     
  8. Beerking

    Beerking Member+

    Nov 14, 2000
    Humboldt County
    The DP rule came about for the benefit of LA and New York, it was never intended to be used by any of the other teams. :p
     
  9. MLSFan123

    MLSFan123 Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Boston Area
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't know any details of this deal but this might be one of those temporary DP situations because of a transfer fee and not because of salary, similar to Milton Cariglio.
     
  10. iron81

    iron81 Member+

    Jan 6, 2011
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Almost certainly true. When he was signed in early July, we heard that there was a transfer fee. He was definitely under contract with Beerschot.
     
  11. tippose

    tippose Member

    Apr 17, 2001
    Potsdam, NY
    Hey, that strike rate is roughly equivalent to other legendary DPs like Miles Joseph and Darren Sawatzky. If things go well in Chicago, he could retire with a rate in the Dario Brose range.
     
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  12. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    And apparently the sent him out on loan to Defensor Sporting in Uruguay. So you are down to one DP again.
     
  13. Howard the Drake

    Feb 27, 2010
    the DP term is cited a bit more than it needs to be. if the team thinks he's worth $400k+ in salary/transfee fee amortization, that's their prerogative. and, yes, they have to use a tag to be able to do that.

    the problem is that the club/league/fans/media tend to treat the DP tag as code for big-name/money signing" (announcers are really bad with this...you can count on "the designated player" in place of his name as a way to refer to someone like Hamdi Salihi at least 3-4 times per game). that'd be okay if it was an informative term, but it really isn't given salary and payroll complexities. De Rosario makes more than DC's current and their former DP. there is this weird increase in expectations when a player has that DP status, though,
     
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  14. JB the First

    JB the First Member

    Apr 28, 2009
    Texas
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's because the team thinks he's worth the $400k+ in salary/transfer fee. They're implicitly making a statement of expectation by valuing the player more, so fans follow their lead.
     
  15. Howard the Drake

    Feb 27, 2010
    I think it gets outsized when we throw the DP tag on though. Benny Feilhaber is making DP money and doesn't seem to get the same attention (from my own observations).
     
  16. JB the First

    JB the First Member

    Apr 28, 2009
    Texas
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's because he plays for New England. Nothing they do gets attention. For example, Lee Nguyen is possibly the bargain of the season, but no one talks about it.
     
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  17. saywhat?

    saywhat? Member

    Jul 19, 2010
    Vancouver/Victoria
    Club:
    Whitecaps
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    This signing has Mustapha Jarju v2.0 written all over it...
     
  18. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm still wondering when Grazzini is going to return from Argentina where he went for "personal/family reasons" 2 or 3 weeks ago, a after a contract disupte was dragged out quite publicly for about a month. What's up with that? That guy made the Fire go. Without him they can't string together any passes.
     
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  19. holiday

    holiday Member+

    Oct 16, 2007
    why would anybody want to leave beerschot...
     
  20. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    Yes, I feel bad for small markets like Chicago. The league should restrain those megalopolises like Portland that can spend a million and a half on a DP. How could a wide spot in the road like Chicago possibly compete?
     
  21. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't tell that to Frankie Klopas, because he seems to think that Rolfe or Alex could replace him. So far we have scored a grand total of 2 goals since Grazzini left (5 games), one of them was a free kick goal (How's your plan going Frankie). Personal reasons my ass, he left because the FIRE jerked him around about his contract. Now they are shopping him around in Argentina for free, great not only do you lose your best attacking player, now you are going to get NOTHING for him.
     
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  22. ImaPuppy

    ImaPuppy Member+

    Aug 10, 2009
    Using too many parentheses
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    I like his age, but I don't like his resume.
     
  23. OleGunnar20

    OleGunnar20 Member+

    Dec 7, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    i think the real issue here is that teams have to use the DP rule to sign players who make under $1M a year (transfer fee included for cap purposes).

    if MLS wasn't so cheap and didn't spend less than 25% of revenue on salaries (total salary for all teams with DPs and off budget included is only $90M) they would have a much higher cap per team (say $5M) so that teams could actually sign a number of $250K-$750K guys to normal non-DP status and leave the DP status for $1M+ guys.

    Cap = $5M (for 20 "Senior" roster spots)
    Max Non-DP Cap "Salary" = $750K
    3 DPs per team allowed @ cap hit of $750K each ($250K under 24)

    Cap compliance would be simplified to an "at any given time" scenario where as long as the 20 guys you have on your active senior roster and their yearly cap numbers would be compliant you are compliant. And teams can cut/buy out any players at any time and remove them from their roster/cap.

    it would be funded by the same 30% of ticket revenue contribution gets you 2.5M of the cap and any amount over that 2.5M cap you spend you must contribute the balance.
     
  24. Editor In Chimp

    Editor In Chimp Member+

    Sep 7, 2008
    Jesus, the Fire are run terribly. I guess they fit in with the other teams in town, so that's something.

    Their games are painful to watch...
     
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  25. brentgoulet

    brentgoulet Member+

    Oct 12, 2005
    PuertoPlata, DomRep
    beer shot ? hell yeah ! :)
     

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