Fire Pochettino Thread

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by wixson7, Aug 14, 2024.

  1. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's the Phil Jackson of soccer, actually





    (I don't follow NBA, assuming Phil Jackson is best known for never winning trophies outside PSG)
     
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  2. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    At the end of the day I think Poch will have a good WC so I am willing to live with the current growing pains. Here is Klinsmann's take after the Turkiye match. Sounds very reasonable to me.

     
  3. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    “Culture” subsumes a lot of things. Which parts is he trying to change, and how?
     
  4. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd much rather be having pains now with a chance to rectify them than sort of be cruising and get a black eye in the first WC game. Poch has a chance to reset the team and succeed. It largely depends on health though as Adams is back out again so maybe only Richards, Turner and one of the other CB's are likely WC starters.
     
  5. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kind of like how we beat Morocco, they fired their coach, and went on to finish fourth at the World Cup?
     
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  6. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    That could be us! More likely it takes a Herculean effort to meet minimum expectations and Poch says farewell. :cry:
     
  7. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Big sigh of relief from Team Chunkz x Speed

     
  8. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    LOL. I’m not sure I have ever seen a group of studio pundits phone it in as often or as casually as the ESPN soccer crew.
     
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  9. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You found a one counter example. Are there more? I mean I think if the players absolutely detested Poch that has a chance to work but I don't get that impression.
     
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  10. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    if you want a real opinion from nichols say liverpool are interested in poch. hell find a couple of nits to pick real quick in that case...
     
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  11. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    I agree with Klinsmann up to a point. Problem is Gold Cup used to interfere with European pre-season more than any other tournament iirc, especially if USA were going to be in it to the end.

    This year is a little different in the sense that we have a new manager as of October window last year and he's still combing thru the pool looking for depth he'll need in the WC finals.
     
  12. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    The coaching change was already in the bag when they played us. There was an issue with their prefered manager not being ready to take over. You probably read posts to that effect back in 2022 and forgot.

    We played Morocco on June 1, 2022. Meantime, per wiki,
    Walid Regragui - Wikipedia
    On 30 May 2022, he (Regragui)( led Wydad AC to win its third CAF Champions League title, after beating defending champions Al Ahly in the final.

    So who do you want to take over from Poch or is this just more "baby wants his bottle" stuff? Do you have somebody better than Poch ready to go? Let me guess: Bruce Arena #1and Pep if Bruce turns it down.
     
  13. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    If the Gold Cup goes particularly bad “someone better” becomes a pretty low bar. Might as well give Bob Bradley a call.
     
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  14. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When Greggg was the manager all I heard was praise for how he changed the culture. Now apparently the culture needs to be changed again? You saw the video?

    This culture stuff is all above my pay grade. I just want the manager to select our best players, the plays to do their best and that will result in 90 minutes of high emotional involvement and happiness for me and most fans.
     
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  15. SteelyTom

    SteelyTom Member

    Mar 21, 2007
    Boston, MA USA
    Club:
    Pumas UNAM
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The issue isn't so much whether Poch is right about 'culture', it's whether it's useful for him to keep banging on about it publicly. It's as if Tom Thibodeau had taken to give regular press conferences complaining about the Knicks' lack of a bench, how championship teams need to go more than six deep, etc.

    It is what it is. Poch has to work within the limitations presented to him- particularly if he's a short term hired gun.

    He's prefabricating excuses for WC underperformance. 'What could I do? I was hired late in the cycle, and the problems were unfixable.' The ongoing Pulisic family soap opera is a portent of the discord to come.
     
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  16. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I think he's been pretty clear this entire time that he feels that the team is not competing hard enough or bringing enough intensity.

    A lot of people agree with him. And whatever he's doing beyond the public statements, it seems to be working, as this last game was more like the intensity we saw in Qatar and previously.
     
  17. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don’t think he’s getting fired but Cherundolo is probably available also given he’s already on his way out. Maybe Pat Noonan. And Matarazzo doesn’t have a job. Jim Curtin I guess also currently free.

    If we crash and burn at the level it’d take for Pochettino to get fired I’m guessing we wouldn’t hire a foreign coach.
     
  18. SteelyTom

    SteelyTom Member

    Mar 21, 2007
    Boston, MA USA
    Club:
    Pumas UNAM
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One approach to tackling the culture issue is giving the manager more power. The federation could look into extending him.
     
  19. Cynical US fan

    United States
    Mar 30, 2017
    Boston
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It’s hard to tell how much Pochettino cares. Certainly, less than Berhalter did? Matarazzo, although American, did very poorly with Hoffenheim; only seven wins compared to the last place BL team. However, whatever the “investment” of the coach, it is the players that matter the most.
    So, if the usmnt doesn’t play any better than Hoffenheim, LA, Philly, etc. the coach doesn’t matter.
     
  20. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean I don’t think he’s getting fired no matter what happens, but there’s no way we wouldn’t hire a domestic candidate if he was.
     
  21. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Whatever happened to that head case dual nat from Argentina that Poch liked?
     
  22. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good point, didn't they already solve the culture issue before Poch arrived, what happened to that??

    Can a cultural anthropologist please weigh in!
     
  23. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Like they did with Klinsmann before the 2014 World Cup due to made up Spurs rumors? Some things never change!
     
  24. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think England fans would like to swap Poch for Tuchel.
     
  25. deuteronomy

    deuteronomy Member+

    Siem Reap Crown City FC
    United States
    Aug 12, 2008
    on the touch
    Club:
    Siem Reap Angkor FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Certainly, it’s not easy coaching, a group of privileged Americans, and the culture, it’s a bit of concern.

    One has to wonder, if the message regarding culture might be easier to accept from an American coach than an Argentinian one?

    Anyway,

    Pochettino is the first USMNT coach with a three-game losing streak in his first 10 games since Manfred Schellscheidt in 1975.

    $6 million a year for this?
     

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