Fire Pochettino Thread

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  1. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes the criticism of Gregg was that he was "winning too many trophies" amazing memory you have there...

    By the way the only impressive trophy win of the Gregg era was BJ Callaghan in the Nations League where they didn't just barely squeak by due to random occurrences completely outside the coach's control, like Gregg's favorite goalkeeper Steffen getting injured and replaced by Horvath for a crucial PK that he saved, or the Jamaicans with an own goal in the final seconds without which we never even advance to the finals... but I don't expect someone who a few months ago thought Tim Ream won't make the World Cup roster to understand the difference between a fluke and something that's actually repeatable.

    The only trophy that was won decisively was by BJ Callaghan who had the US beating Mexico 3-0 and then Canada 2-0. Back when Berhalter WASN'T the coach. You can whine all you want that I'm being negative for pointing it out. But that is a fact.

    You can gaslight me because I would attend Nations League. Including when Poch s*** the bed in LA.
     
  2. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    I found all of Berhalter’s trophy wins impressive.
     
  3. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't understand how you can go through life being so angry all the time.
     
  4. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Communication skills would be even more important at NT level.
     
  5. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Way to refute anything I actually wrote, great work!
     
  6. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's been refuting you for 172 pages.
     
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  7. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    I’m genuinely shocked you were alive in 94 or would claim to remember the buzz. I want to know what buzz you think was there.

    I also want to hear you name a coach that would a) take the job and b) be any upgrade on Poch. And you can search my posts from when he was hired - I was almost a sole detractor about the hire. Where were you?

    The coach isn’t the main reason we lose games - unless you think Poch is criminally incompetent these posts are just a bunch of twitterverse noise.
     
  8. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I often think there's a category of fan who doesn't actually enjoy being a USMNT fan.

    Do I think Berhalter was the "bnees knees?" No.
    However, I sure do love winning trophies.
    If you can't celebrate successes, then what's the point of being a fan?

    I've come to the realization that there will be a category of fan who won't be happy NO MATTER WHAT. If we make the quarterfinal of this World Cup, there will be this category of fan who'll go on message boards to trash Poch for not making the semifinal. it will NEVER be good enough.

    .....................and if Poch isn't a good enough coach, then who do you want? We can't even afford Poch. We need rich, billionaire sugar daddies to pay his salary. After this we're going to go back to Jim Curtin, Oscar Pareja or somebody.

    And I'lll root for Jim Curtin or Oscar Pareja's teams just as much. Why? Because I'm a fan of the USMNT. I want them to succeed. I don't want them to lose so I can go on a message board to say "I todl you so."
     
  9. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    I’m surprised he has done so well at Coventry but there was zero chance of him getting hired 2 years ago based on his resume. He may in fact have done well but that’s just in hindsight.
     
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  10. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't get the point of this premature angst. If we get grouped or embarrassed in R32 then have at it, tear him to shreds. Are you really saying we should have canned him after Nations League or something? Because that certainly won't make it harder to hire a top coach in the future or anything... It's too late, this is the bed we made, and the whole point of hiring him is coming up around the corner, so get your grading pens ready.
     
  11. FatRon09

    FatRon09 Member

    Arsenal
    Brazil
    Sep 14, 2023
    The US Soccer sporting director should contact Tomas Christensen's "people", asap. His contract runs out at the end of July.
     
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  12. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lampard also strikes me as a guy who got a job like Chelsea far before he was ready for it just because of his stature as a former player.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a better coach now after that experience and having to go back to the Championship for a bit.

    Of course the degree of difficulty for a job at a big club like Chelsea is also much harder than the Championship as he wouldn’t be the first coach to be successful there and not at a higher level.
     
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  13. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean we’re getting Pep next right?
     
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  14. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean in the end the World Cup is here and he’s tenure is going to be based off that. For good or bad. No point in worrying about the rest.
     
  15. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Everton fired him after dropping to 19th in the Premier League.
     
  16. Bite o' the Cherry

    Charlotte FC
    United States
    May 3, 2006
    Charlotte, NC, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ah garon-dam-TEE a Pep hire won't alter the output of our infamous Passive-Agressor with the Twenty Media Feeds.
     
  17. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
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  18. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  19. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hopefully Pep won't go for lunch with his buddies or manage a charity team, otherwise our friend will explode.
     
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  20. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What if he goes for a jog in downtown Nashville?
     
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  21. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Proof that he's not focused :cool:
     
  22. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    If Pep is hired he has to sport the cool sneaker and t shirt look.
     
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  23. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Even though this thread is a tradition, I think this tradition belongs more in USA Men so folks consigned to this forum only can play too.
     
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  24. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I don't know what people mean by "fled" but he left the job before the contract was done and before the job was done.

    Was it merely that he wanted the assumed larger salary? Was it that the US landscape frustrated the shit out of him? Was it that he had finished with the fun elements of the job and what was left was execution?

    I don't know, but I'm not giving a ton of respect to Crocker on this decision. He's in a leadership role; this isn't some peon taking a promotion elsewhere. I have much more respect for people who finish the job.

    That said, the criticisms of his work here are just kind of dumb. Both Hayes and Poch were excellent hires, even before knowing the results of the two World Cups. Hayes won an Olympics already, and the difference in the team is palpable. Granted, it was a low base in terms of coaching.

    Pochettino's results have been rockier, but the challenge has been greater. He has had constant blocks to access to the talent, and a lower overall talent base. We may or may not do well at this World Cup, but the coach was unlikely to be the difference. Finding a coach who is guaranteed to be the difference is not a skillset anyone really has.

    I think he's brought a lot of good ideas back to the team and I think he's at least started the cultural reset that was needed.

    I am concerned that our next coach will be a step back on the actual soccer and what the knock ons from that are.

    I actually find most of the criticism hilarious in how unrelated to anything important or how desperate it is in its logic. There's plenty of fine points to argue with Pochettino on, but there's absolutely nothing damning that makes any sense.

    The very big question of Pochettino's tenure will be much more around "Was the US ready to play this aggressive?" And the issue with blaming Pochettino for that is that the style of play choice is US Soccer's, and they hired Pochettino because of how he plays. No one there wants to bunker and counter.

    And that's it. If you wanted to go to this World Cup and grit and grind and play for an upset, Pochettino will fail -- but that's not really on him.

    If you wanted to play aggressive, attacking soccer and trying to go up against these teams mano a mano ... I can't say he's done a bad job so far.

    We'll see the result.
     
  25. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    Should I start a "Fire Pep" thread to get ready?
     
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