Fire Pochettino Thread

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by wixson7, Aug 14, 2024.

  1. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Vanney who's team has the 30th best record in MLS this season?

    That'll cheer up NT fans.
     
  2. PassionOfTheFoot

    Feb 12, 2002
    Jeju, South Korea
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bob's tight gray sweatpants will always be superior.
     
  3. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Poch deserves all the criticism he is getting. I understand the idea of trying out new players but aside from Luna he has been picking some sub-par players. I also blame him for not understanding that our talent pool demands a 3CB formation. But there is a lot more blame to go around that the players need to eat. Canada and other CONCACAF teams routinely get more from MLS level players whereas our players almost always play worse than the sum of their parts. It started to decline rapidly in the 2nd GB era but the feeling that this team is snake-bit has really snow-balled. I mean, at this point I fully expect them to lose to teams like South Korea and Japan. Heck... we may not even be the 4th best team in our own conference. Mexico, Canada and Panama are better... and Jamaica and CR might be too. In short... they stink and I can't wait for the Intl Window to be over.
     
  4. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Japan and SK are more Canada/US/Mex level than any other Concacaf team. Doesn't mean we shouldn't be playing better, but they are not "worse" (or better) than us in any great distance by any objective metric. (aside from, you know, beating us, in the case of SK, but other than that...)
     
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  5. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    SK are emerging from their JK induced slump. As long as Son stays fit they're a good team.
     
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  6. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    Noting that there will be 26 man rosters to choose from to pick the 11 starters there are a possible 7,726,168 different combinations available. Gio in goal for starters! :geek:
     
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  7. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Enjoy:mad:
     
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  8. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    Like Stewart, Berhalter was going to take a club gig before the Reyna imbroglio hit.

    Crocker was set on Marsch until he did a round of interviews with the players pre-NL. After which they rushed to hire Berhalter before he took the Club America job.
     
  9. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hard to play 3 ATB when you only have one real reliable center back.
     
  10. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    If these tactics were too complicated it’s because our players are stupid and incompetent. A 4231 that does some pressing, drops into a 442, and attacks with wide fullbacks is the soccer equivalent of vanilla.
     
  11. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    Flat out I do not think that Poch is actually calling up the fit players he thinks would give us the best results. I think he is:
    1. Deferring to club concerns during this, about to be phased out, September window.
    2. Trying to motivate under-performers/guys who haven’t shown the level of commitment he is demanding.

    I also suspect he has over-indexed on his own in-person observations of training and the small samples he has observed.

    So because our pool lacks competition Poch’s plan is to get those guys performing at a higher level by 1. playing big roles with their clubs and 2. forcing them to adopt a mentality/approach that Poch feels will lead to the best performances and thus the best results. The first part tends to help but the second still requires those guys to buy-in and change. That’s far from guaranteed.
     
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  12. Editor In Chimp

    Editor In Chimp Member+

    Sep 7, 2008
    Just put that one in the middle duh
     
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  13. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    you had me at 4231. your analysis remains as impressive as ever.
     
  14. Mt Stone@

    Mt Stone@ Member+

    Fulham
    United States
    Apr 30, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  15. nbarbour

    nbarbour Member+

    Jun 19, 2006
    Washington DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree that he is over-indexing on super small sample sizes tied to his very brief and incomplete views of our player pool. Mainly because he is lazy and arrogant, thinking he has the ability to unlock the magic depth of the US pool by leaning on players like Berhalter, Agyemang, Harriel, Roldan, White, Blackmon, et. al.

    But asking our best players to come in and give it their all only to surround them with players that don't deserve to be on the team, leading to a string of embarrassing and disjointed performances seems like an asinine masterplan to get the most out of your best players and "create competition."

    These shit mind games might work on 12 year olds but not grown ass men (tm).
     
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  16. NorcalHockeyhooligan

    Feb 25, 2012
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Even though I think USSF is ride or die with Poch until after the USMNT exit the WC, I still want to ask this question:
    If Poch is fired before the WC, he still gets his 6 million because it’s guaranteed money, right? So where will the money come from to hire someone else? Didn’t Poch’s 6 million come from some hedge fund guys? Would they be willing to fork over more money for zero guarantee it’ll work the second time around?
     
  17. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    Too busy typing to watch the first half?
     
  18. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    I think you’re missing the point of this theory. He does not care about those depth guys outside of their commitment to the required mentality. Those guys being dropped is more important than who is replacing them. His goal is to get the under-motivated, overly-complacent, underperforming dropped players to raise their games. If there was competition Poch wouldn’t have to do anything other than respond to performances and pick the best players. If those guys don’t get on board they don’t go to the WC. That’s the incentive.
     
  19. nbarbour

    nbarbour Member+

    Jun 19, 2006
    Washington DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the “under-motivated, overly-complacent” read is a bunch of garbage, honestly. And to ask player to come and give it their all when you don’t put the player in the team in a position to succeed is nonsense. It’s amateur hour pseudo-psychology nonsense. Worse than late stage Klinsmann bullshit.
     
  20. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Many coaches have tried to send messages to players by using playing time as a carrot.

    It doesn’t work when your competitiveness then plummets and you start racking up losses. That’s why it frequently ends with losing the locker room and later your job.

    That btw doesn’t excuse what I see as a lack of leadership within the team from vets, failure to set the tone and police the other players. Has been a negative.
     
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  21. twoolley

    twoolley Member+

    Jan 3, 2008
    Cant have defensive confusion like we did on both their goals. They had good interchange and movement but we had so much space and gap in the center of 18 yard box. Have to be more compact and dense.
     
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  22. keller4president

    Jan 5, 2006
    I figure those same hedge fund guys can fork over another 1 million to hire a guy for 9 months through the World Cup.
     
  23. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Very impressive that Poch has made the USMNT player pool deeper than Portugal's :thumbsup:
     
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  24. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That isn't necessarily true. You do need a reliable CB to play in the middle... and that is Richards right now. But if you have one, then a lot of CBs that would be subpar in a 2CB system can actually do well at outside CB in a 3CB backline. Heck, as god awful as Blackmon was in the first 60+ minutes against SK he actually did OK once Richards came in and he was pushed to RCB. Everything changed when the formation shifted and if we had guys like McKenzie or Trusty (and hopefully Banks) then we might actually turn a negative into a positive (or at least average it out). I hold to my statement. As long as Richards is there we should play w/ 3CBs.
     
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  25. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean Trusty seems to have lost his starting spot with Celtic and I think the World Cup might be a bit too soon for Banks. You’re basically rolling with Ream and McKenzie most likely and you’re likely taking off a better player off the field to do so.
     
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