FIRE PAYNE and KASPER

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So let the groundswell start here and now: Barry For Mayor! He did it to ya' before and he can do it again!

 

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I don't understand this whole thread at all -

We're supposed to fire Soehn because he's such a lousy coach - He had this great team from Payne and Kasper, and look at the dismal record

And then we're supposed to fire Payne and Kasper because they got us all these lousy players - If they had been even decent players, we woulda won the SSS a third year in a row and won our group in CCL

 

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Please stop using the first person plural.

Thank you in advance.

 

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Yea, we won it with Nowaks players, but truthfully this team we have now IMO(it cna be argued) has a better or equal in each spot of Nowaks team. Injuries hurt us...hurt us bad.

I'll admit though, soehn isnt the greatest coach, and a change in that i can agree on.

On the stadium, thats out of the hands really of FO, unless you guys want to move to MD which they seem to be watering at the mouth for us to come.

Because you come in here, and start asking for the heads of guys like payne, and frankly it comes off disrespectful, Especially for a guy who hasnt paid his dues to this team over the years, and most likely started keeping up with DC because of Adu(which just screams bandwagon'er/ 'tard'). And what the hell does liverpool have to do with us?

And what do you know about the business that we need to change our approach? Nothing. We are fine. We have a bad season, live with it.

Well of coruse, El Mellizo is one of the most respected players in Argentina to stay, in country, and be loyal to his club team. Everyone who knows and watches that league respects/loves that guy, me included. And venezuela?? Are you serious?? LOL Their main sport is friggin' baseball! Shows how much you know.

Its not skeptical, ask any broadcaster, or anyone in South America for that matter, they know DC United because of the 'great' Marco Etcheverry playing and finishing basically his career wtih us. We had a player in his prime finish out basically the meat of his career with us, when he could have played in europe or top South AMerican teams. Thats why we are well known, not to mention that we beat Vasco De Gama and were crowned "king of the America's".

How could you call that? Did you predict in your Crystal ball he was going to get injured like he did? Because when he was on the field he was nothing less than 100% effective. Gomez was starting to lose steam, and get winded towards the end of games, not to mention his age which plays a big factor in pro soccer, if you knew so much i am shocked you didnt factor this in(lol).

Moreno is well respected, and to not to keep and try to have him on your team is a slap in the face to the Fans, and to him himself for all hes done this season.

You obviously lack any idea aobut loyalty, or the pride that goes into this club.

Moreno not to mention was probably our best player when on the field this season, giving nothing but results when his body let him. Even injured he showed how much of a game changer he can be vs. NE.

Why call for his head now? He still has some left in the tank, and IMO your a 'tard for thinking of cutting him. He is our second play maker, with out him we have........Dyachenko hahahahahahahahaha

 

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Hyperbole just makes you look like a crank again. You can certainly make an argument that Kasper hasn't earned his keep and should go; but saying he "hasn't signed anyone good in years" is just silly. I can think of three this year alone. That may not be enough to justify his continued employment; but three this year is not the same as "zero for years."

 

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A year ago I posted on this thread not to fire any of the three.

I can't say I feel the same this year.

Rightly or wrongly, Soehn has missed the playoffs two years running. At the end of the day, it's hard to justify keeping your job if you can't make the MLS playoffs in two straight years. He's also shown a bad habit of failing to get results in big games.

Further, if he were to be retained, he'd be the first coach in United history to coach a 4th season. Somehow, it just doesn't seem right that he would do something like that when Arena, Rongen and Nowak, who all won MLS Cups here, didn't coach that long.

Kasper should go becuase he has overpaid too many players who have underperformed and for constantly shuffling the roster and for blowing too many draft picks, though in fairness to him, this year's draft was top shelf.

Kasper joined the team in 2002. Since then, they've missed the playoffs three times and been eliminated in the first three more. That's twice in eight seasons the team advanced in the playoffs.

That's just not acceptable.

As for Payne, we all know what he did for the organization in the early years. For that he should always deserve a lot of credit. But for how long does that buy him a pass.

Fact is that since the 1999 season, United has been a pretty average team and he's been in charge. In a league where it's harder to miss the playoffs than make them, United has missed the post-season 5 times this decade. A fifty percent playoff ration for a decade in MLS is just not acceptable. And it's all happened on Payne's watch.

Yes, they have MLS Cup 04 - which seems a LONG time ago - and the Shields in 06 and 07 and last year's USOC. For some clubs, that's a great haul in a decade. But for United it's tempered by only making it past the first round of the playoffs in the championship year and a trip to the conference finals in Nowak's final season.

Payne hired both Kasper and Soehn. And if both of them are failures to the point of needing to be dismissed - and I think they are - then the person that hired them needs to fall on his sword, too.

The on-field performance is enough to ask for Payne to step down but it's compounded by the complete joke the team's stadium situation is in. I will grant that is it a complicated and difficult task to get a stadium built, particularly in the DC area.

But the team has been talking about this since as early as 1997 - maybe earlier, but 97 is the first record I could find of it being discussed - and we're no closer, and are perhaps further, than we ever were from getting a stadium.

Nothing sums this up like the complete fiasco that was the "deal" with Prince George's County which was short-sighted and handled poorly and amateurishly and made the team look both ill-prepared and desparate.

We now have a team with no stadium and ZERO leverage to use on anyone to get one built and no realistic prospects to get one built in the DC area.

Finally, there's this: Payne has been in charge of United since its inception and the club has never turned a profit. Yeah, there are reasons for this like the stadium and it being, well, an American soccer team. But 15 years of losing money is tough to accept when the product you're putting on the field is also poor.

No one doubts Payne's commitment to the organization. (Nor Soehn's nor Kasper's, for that matter.) But this isn't a job for life. It has to be earned.

I think we've just reached a point where the club could use some fresh perspective and leadership and simply a different point of view because the current one just isn't working.

As such, after he fires Kaser and Soehn Payne should resign and if he doesn't, Will Chang should bite the bullet and fire him, too.

 

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Yeah, rather than bash Shinn, we need to be looking at this team. The team is poorly run, and those making player personnel decisions suck as well. With rookies, it's a crap shoot. We got lucky on the crapshoot this year. We've made more poor decisions than good ones by a large margin, both in the draft and in offseason signings. The players that we DO have, have been played out of position and in ridiculous formations. We've held on to older declining players for WAY too long, at salaries that are too high. We ridiculously handed Emilio a DP spot. There is just too much to think that Kasper and Soehn should have a job, at the very least.

 

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most of us have been saying this for months now

 

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Who are you trying to convince of this? I haven't seen anyone insistently arguing that Soehn deserves a fourth chance. Maybe there's someone defending Kasper, but I haven't seen that either.

 

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My wish list.

Bad attitudes gotta go:

1. Soehn - doesn't show the winner mentality. Complains/Excuses/What me worry. That is contagious for a team to make excuses. Nice guy, but not really a leader.

2. Emilio - really tired of his whining and overall behaviour. He is only good if he has players around him. the guy can finish, but how many true chances did he get this year. He won't really create a whole lot off the dribble or via runs. 800K or whatever his contract is egregious for this league.

The front office was sent reeling after the Veron debacle in my opinion last year. This year I thought they did the best the could. We signed arguably the best two rookies we possibly could have. Have another good draft, let Moreno maybe retire, send Emilio packing (can we get rid of him?)and replace Soehn should allow us to make some signings and do well next year.

 

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We have a list of coaching choices and technical directors. However can anyone come up with a better choice to replace Kevin Payne? I cannot therefore I am not sure his leaving, despite the things he has done wrong, is the best thing for the club right now.

 

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We won't. Our picks aren't that great; and the college class coming out this year is a weak one, in contrast to last year's which was universally acknowledged as very good.

 

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I agree with this post 100%.

I think, as mentioned by Sandon Mibut, a "fresh perspective and leadership" is needed at this point in time in DC United's history.

 

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Of course, we can bloviate all we want but the decision will be Chang's. How does he see the prospects of making good on his investment with the present management remaining in place? He wasn't a soccer guy, as I understand it, when he bought in, and relied on KP and the rest of the FO for input on decision-making. He probably ceded all soccer decisions to them. Now, after two years on the job, will he continue to do so? I doubt it. What I don't know is whether he has accumulated enough knowledge about the business of MLS and professional soccer in general to know where to go to get better FO talent. Chang will consider and perhaps take KP and Kasper's advice on whether to retain Tommy and Chad, and I expect that decision to be made fairly soon. But even if he does, I don't think KP and Kasper are out of danger. As soon as Chang feels truly comfortable and self confident I wouldn't be surprised if he cleans out the FO. I just don't know who the replacement candidates might be. We hear a lot of coaches and prospective coaches but very little about "general managers" or "director of operations."

 

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Like who, *specifically*?

 

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I can only think of one person who could take Payne's job and that is Peter Wilt. End of list
As for Soehn and Kasper, I think Soehn should be let go. He really hasn't proven himself to be much of a coach. People complain about injuries and not being able to field the same lineup twice but I remember the '97 season where we didn't field the same line up twice because of injuries and WC qualifying callups and managed to be pretty decent. Part of that was coaching and part was having a good squad. Kaspar hasn't really shown the ability to put together a squad. Yes he can find some talent out there, probably no worse than most other teams, but he finds individuals and can't put together a team. I think he's been given enough of a chance and overall has been found wanting. I would replace him.

 

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Sorry I am not Chang.

But Chang strikes me as a very savvy businessman, so hopefully he can make some wise decisions.

 

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Given that NE just made the playoffs minus Twellman, Ralston and who knows who else, any coach who claims injuries derailed his season should cover his face in shame. I can't stand the Revs and I can't stand Nicol, but that 'effer coached a USL-1 side into the MLS playoffs, something that Tommy Boy could not do.

 

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so true not much of a fan either, but he did get a usl 1 side into the playoffs with all of those injuries.

repped

 

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Unfortunately, wise and savvy as a businessman does not necessarily translate to being the same as a sport's team owner.

 

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Yes, absolutely, a very savvy businessman; but that's not the same thing as knowing the sport of soccer. And if Payne were to go, whoever would replace him would need competence about soccer as well as business. It would hurt DCU a lot, set us even further back, to replace him with someone who's not as good.

 

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i thought payne was just working on the stadium.

heck, i can come work for dc and not get a stadium in dc.

good guy and all, but time to move on