Fire Mikey Varas

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  1. OlympiquedeMarseille

    Apr 18, 2012
    Ottawa
    Club:
    Ottawa Fury
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    The "Fire Mikey Varas" thread.
    Yes, I am Canadian and yes this thread is a bit of trolling but there is a serious question behind it:
    Was Varas the correct choice for interim coach?
    If things aren't settled (Pochettino) by October, should he be the coach for the next window?
     
  2. lynne

    lynne Member+

    Oct 11, 2003
    No, he shouldn't. What's going on? Do the US think they have plenty of time to diddle around?
     
  3. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    pretty sure hes "stepping down" after this window due to taking the san diego job, but no. and he shouldnt have been here.
     
  4. yankthisyank'swank

    Oct 13, 2010
    Because the USSF is complete garbage, he’ll probably get a guaranteed 10 year contract.
     
  5. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    He didn't wash Gregg's stink off the team.
     
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  6. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    I already called dibs on managing the October window (if Pochettino remains unavailable).

    So you guys better hope he is available.
     
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  7. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He’s fine as an interim and did a good job with the U20s. He’s also the only person still employed by USSF from Berhalter’s staff and accordingly the only one they can make interim without having to bring a new person from the inside.

    There’s really only him or Mitrovic as options and I liked his job with the U20s a bit more than Mitrovic at the Olympics.
     
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  8. eagercolin

    eagercolin Member

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    Aug 25, 2017
    Buffalo
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    United States
    No, he probably won't.
     
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  9. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's clear that the problem with the MNT is the players themselves.

    They don't show much in the way of urgency in matches and just let other teams take it to them.

    If they really don't want to be there, they should just retire from international play and stop wasting their own time and the few fans of this program that remain.
     
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  10. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
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    United States
    Anyone else notice during the water break in the first half he was trying to give instructions and no one even turned to listen to him? Not a good thing to be an interim right before the next guy comes in. I also liked his work with U20's and the second half was much better but that first half was just painful.
     
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  11. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    These players don't start showing up and we're going to run out of coaches to fire. Fingers crossed Poch can get through to them but I wouldn't guarantee it.
     
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  12. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    He had a nice run with the U-20s. But youth coaching is a sort of niche.
     
  13. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gregg ball continues to pay off even after he's gone


     
  14. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good luck San Diego FC

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  15. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    It's insane to me that they fire Berhalter, just to continue playing Berhalter ball. Moronic. Why not just keep Berhalter and negotiate w/ whomever behind the scenes? They fing idiots. Anyone who follows sports knows that if a manager is not managing, you gotta check to see who's still paying them when you hire them. And, this is down to Pocch just doesn't want the job that bad. Apparently, what he'll get paid with the US is less than what Chelsea is paying him. He doesn't want to lose that last year of bigger pay. The Fed damn well better be exploring other options.
     
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  16. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    May 12, 2019
    Yes, totally. Berhalter was going to stick around while they hunted for his replacement. And definitely try to implement a whole new system for a meaningless friendly with like two days of camp to do it.
     
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  17. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

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    #17 xbhaskarx, Sep 8, 2024
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    Why not implement a new system for a meaningless friendly? Not some random unrelated third system, but why not try to have the team playing like Poch might want them to? Isn't that more relevant than Berhalter's system, unless they're going to re-hire him a THIRD time? Even if you don't get Poch's system totally right, wouldn't those data points potentially be more useful than more Gregg system data points?
     
  18. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
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    #18 xbhaskarx, Sep 8, 2024
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    Mikey is quick to publicly throw his own players under the bus... he may have a point but not sure that's how you build a good team culture (although at least he didn't do it at a sports leadership conference immediately after a World Cup)... an actual reason to "Fire Mikey Varas" if "losing to Canada for the first time since 1957" wasn't bad enough?



     
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  19. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
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    United States
    “The trainings were intense, they were aggressive. But when the game comes, you’ve got to get going.”

    So we're supposed to believe the players were "intense and aggressive" in training with Varas, when not facing another team, with no fans in attendance, not televised... but then completely lost that aggression and intensity days later when they faced their actual opponents Canada?
     
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  20. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
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    Varas is the placeholder until Pochettino finally takes over, so Varas isn't going to be around anyway after the NZ match.
     
  21. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    Yes I know... although rumor has it that Poch has pulled out after seeing that horrific performance, and the US Soccer is now choosing between Mikey Varas as the permanent coach or having Eric Wynalda manage remotely (Wynalda was banned from Zoom after a drunken incident and would have to coach via Microsoft Teams).
     
  22. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    That's what I'm saying.

    We know Gregg's system is an abject failure. A disaster. The Fukushima of coaching tactics.

    Firing him and just running out the same shit, is beyond mindboggling. It's like drinking the colonoscopy prep the day after the colonoscopy.

    Someone in another thread said "Do we know that was Gregg's system?" Pull your head out. Varas said he wasn't going to change anything. And, worse yet, Marsch said he knew we weren't going to change anything.

    And, the peanut on top of the shit pile is .... we're shackled to Gregg crap pile of a system, and he's not even there to make adjustments. Maybe if he's there, he can say "this isn't working, let's change it up." But, he's not there - so all Varas can do is keep playing Gregg's moronic system.

    None of this is a defense of Gregg. He Had To Go. But, if you don't have a guy lined up, don't keep playing his shitball.
     
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  23. Peretz48

    Peretz48 Member+

    Nov 9, 2003
    Los Angeles
    Dissing his players like that is, for me, a big no-no. What he should have said is something like, "We didn't play to our standards. All of us, players and coaches, will move on from this and play as we know we can."
     
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  24. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
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    United States
    I mean who else should they have been hiring to be the interim coach for one window? You are either getting someone employed by USSF, Bruce Arena doing the federation a solid, or some MLS retread like Jason Kreis or other recently fired coach. So Varas makes sense enough when you consider the alternatives. And what’s the point of him reinventing the wheel with a new coach coming in? Like what would that accomplish?

    And given the board is meeting now to approve the hiring of Pochettino it’s a done deal. And I don’t think it’s a big deal he doesn’t want to leave millions of dollars on the table. Would you even if you really wanted to coach the USMNT?
     
  25. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pochettino plays a similar style for one. Building from the back, possession, playing a high line, pressing, etc (though Berhalter backed off the high line when he brought Ream back and backed off pressing post World Cup).

    Pochettino may adjust his style of course, but I don’t think there’s going to be a major tactical shift. It’s going to build on what they’ve already been doing. Pochettino is just better at coaching it.
     

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