What is a greater qualitative measure? Achievements in a youth world cup or senior club careers? In 1977 Mexico placed 2nd at the Fifa U20 World Youth Championshps, the previous version of the youth world cups - they didn't start calling them youth world cups until very recently. Yet, 5 years laters, when many of the players from those generations should be entering their primes, Mexico was unable to qualify to the World Cup. Placing 3rd in the qualifying tournament held in Honduras. Due to the hype from that 1977 u20, Mexico would send its youngest squad ever to a world cup held in Argentina the following year. Going 3 and out. This has not been the first time Mexico has overwhelmingly placed faith in youth players. In 1999, Mexico again exceeded expectations beating Argentina's u20. Ojitos Meza brought in many of those players for his qualifying process only to achieve the worst results any Mexican DT ever has. --- It is true Mexico has not historically had consistent results at the youth level due to many reasons. What is also true is Mexican clubs in the past would produce strikers and attacking talent at a higher rate. Mexico reached its climax in 1990 world cup cycle. This generation is judged by many as the best Mexican side ever assembled. Results like the 1993 copa America 2nd place and beating a Maradona-less Argentina in 1990 2-0 in a friendly in LA. Mexico also was without its two best players in Hugo Sanchez and Benjamin Galindo. All this with a domestic squad. The 1990 world cup cycle Mexico has one of its deepest striker pools ever assembled. All at their peaks. Hugo Sanchez and Zaque were the preferred pairing by the Trelles/Lapuente regime. Also available if one of these two went down with an injury or suspension on the bench were Carlos Hermosillo, Luis Flores, Ricardo Pelaez. All goalscoring champions and prolific scorers. The strings were pulled by Benjamin Galindo who is probably the best enganche Mexico has ever had. Abuelo Cruz and Chepo would be strikers who showed potential and decent careers, but because of injuries or the stranglehold those other strikers held would not really get many caps compared to them. Freekick specialist in Galindo and set pieces by him as well. Contrast that to now where the best striker is Chicharito, a role player for his team. He would definitely make the bench for that 1990 team. Gio and Vela would be left off since their careers have not shown this time of consistency. The rest of the strikers used would not even be mentioned in the same breath. If we look at Mexico historically, the set pieces maestros would be Galindo, Cuauh, Pardo, and Moncho. These current generation does not stack up well or hold a candle to their quality. And in the upcoming u23 generation they don't stack up well either. Freekicks again Galindo comes out on top. Although Ambriz, Moncho, Cuauh and a few others deserve mention. Hugol could step in and take a freekick for that 1990 generation as well. This current generation has nobody who is a decent threat of putting the ball on frame... The generation that should be leading this world cup qualifying cycle does not even stack up. If we look at it objectively and rate the generations. 1990 was the peak, 1994 and 1998 being decent teams although the striker pool was going downhill. After borgetti and cuauh's productivity nobody has come close to replacing them on el Tri. The rest of the world cup generations/cycles valen verga. How about an actual senior career for a club team? Like I mentioned above. Youth tournament teams will get the hype falsely, just like in 1977. What the players do at their clubs should demonstrate the quality of the teams. I think you backed away from this statement since the objective of qualifying is still in Mexico's control. Just remember, in the past Mexico's concacaf competition has not been as decent as it is now. Concacaf has shown it can give even world cup winners a battle on their day. Lets go back to the current available strikers and playmakers for a minute. How do Chicharito, Gio dos Santos, Raul Jimenez, Rafael Marquez Lugo and Javier Cortes match up to that 1990 generation or even 1994? (1994 includes same group + Luis Garcia) How does Marco Fabian match up to Cuauh or Galindo? Nestor has set forth the criteria for a proceso coach to be fired/hired. I don't see a reason to question the plan when it has already delivered results at many levels. Lets look at Mexico's youth and senior team achievements since Nestor organized the FMF in 2009. 2011 Fifa U17 World Cup Winners 2011 Fifa U20 3rd place 2011 Concacaf Gold Cup & Direct Qualification to 2013 Confeds Cup 2011 Copa America - eliminated after first round 2011 Pan American Games Gold Medal Winners 2012 Olympics Gold Medal Men's Football Winners 2013 U20 - eliminated after 4 games 2013 Confederations Cup - eliminated after first round 2013 Gold Cup - TBD 2013 U17 Youth World Cup - TBD 2014 World Cup Qualifying - TBD The results aren't always what is hoped for because of different factors. Although, we have to keep in mind the FMF wasn't always qualifying teams to the youth competitions in the past. Generally, sticking to the plan has delivered success. I see no reason why the FMF should deviate from it. ---- Those youth results don't suggest this is the best generation ever. Hindsight is 20/20 as they say. We would have to wait until these players reach their prime futboler ages to make that determination. And let them show consistent quality in their clubs. Which hasn't been there. If indeed they are the best generation, they would be snatching the mantle from the more senior players who have definitely seen their best days. What it does show, is Nestor's plan of having the most experienced and prepared Mexican National Team by 2018 is well under way.
You should add that people need to stick to the facts and not repeat the same argument once its proving to be wrong because those types of posts and posters are the equivalent and actions of what a troll would do.
Basically no one in the FMF gives a fack about 2014. I'll be sure to remember that if they fail in September
I don't think that is accurate at all. They are realistic though. They don't expect to be a viable challenger for the world cup until 2018 and after.
This is not always the case. We have seen how very talented teams like Real Madrid can go from "Galacticos" to "GalaCirco" from one season to the next. Hugo Sanchez MNT squad smacked around half of CONMEBOL at the 2007 Copa America. In an impressive fashion they defeated Brazil, Ecuador, Uruguay, and prison arse raped Paraguay (6-0). Yet, Mexico fans were convinced (by the media) that the team was mismanaged because of a pre-olimpico. And under a "World Class" coach many of these same players suffered (against inferior opponents) to qualify to the Hexagonal. I criticize high expectations and a EA FIFA mentality; where players/teams have a set rating. We see Gio at a 80 ranking and always expect him to play at that level. And when he can't perform (because of injuries, inconsistency, and not being accustomed to playing mid day matches in hot temperatures) we look for faults; like tactics or coaching decisions. To predict something will happen doesn't mean that it will. Mexico's prediction for the 94 WC was to finish in last place of the Group of Death; they finished in first. I would say it is more of perceived value. We expect to have World Class players in Gio, Vela, and Ch14 because they have the "potential" to be so. Still, they are not at that level. So, why do we expect the team to perform at a level that they are not in yet? How is the talent going to waste? Unless you feel positive that the NT under Chepo will not reach Brazil 2014 I don't see where this logic that we are wasting talent is coming from. This was pretty much the same "fear" used to oust Hugo Sanchez; "The Youth team didn't qualify to the Olympics," so a talented generation was lost! Having talent is not enough. We need a good structure (coaching/tactics) to make the best out of our player pool. I've been saying it for a while now; Mexico could very well parallel the same fate that Portugal had. The Portuguese had a "Golden Generation" that won two U-20 WC's (More impressive than our two U-17's) but were never able to capitalize on their talent level. The closest they got to achieving great success was at the 2004 Euro Cup where they lost the final to a very Nads-like Greece. Eerily similar to 2-0 at Jenjou eh! Anyways, let us look at their progression; Two youth championships (89/91) and despite an accessible 93WCQ group they fail to make it to US94 WC. This team comes of age at the Euro 96 (reach the quarterfinals) and then two years later fail to qualify to the 98WC. They finally qualify to the WC in 02 (and the irony or ironies; lose to the f'ing Nads, lol) and fail to get past the group stage. And through this all I bet that the Portuguese federation built a f'ing awesome Golden Coaching Carousel embedded with rubies and diamonds.
Ahem, you forgot to mention that Portugal made it to the semis of Euro 2000, losing to the reigning WC champions and eventual Euro 2000 victors, France (because of that handball penalty call on Abel Xavier).
Chepo has so many negative "firsts" that the chances of not qualifying to the WC are pretty high first coach to lose against the US at the Azteca first coach to lose against Panama first coach to not being able to win any game at the Azteca first coach to tie against Jamaica at the Azteca and as you guys love to give credit to Chepo for the olympics you should also blame him for the worst Copa America in history for Mexico maybe he'll be the first coach that fails to qualify to the WC in the last 30 years
All valid reasons to be concerned about the coaching of the team.. Still, I am not in the sky is falling camp because the team's fate is in their own hands. And all the improvement's that have been made (during CC and GC) are being downplayed. With this rag tag group of Petardos and handful of upstarts Chepo will start building Hurting Bombs!!
what improvement? barely beating Japan after being humiliated by Italy and Neymar means we have improved to you? or losing against Panama and barely beating minnows like Canada and Martinique? these "petardos" are still better players than anyone you can find in the CONCACRAP, with guys like Cortes, Fabian, Chaton, Gullit, Jimenez (olympic team players), Jonathan Orozco and Layun he should have more than enough to at least make it to the final without problems.
How about being able to score on the run of play or more than one goal a game or that the team has won three games. Your mind is set, however, and I am not here to convince anyone of what is best for el Tri. Chances are Chepo's fate is already sealed. So, you can join the Chepo band (as hostage) and watch us turn against each other once he get's sacked. Pern will shoot me because he was an undercover "Lavolpista" all along. I, in turn shoot ReSa by mistake and he does the same to Pirru who takes us both out for letting him down. Then you shoot Pern and wait for a new coach to be appointed as you watch this thread bleed to death.
You know that somersault and hip thrust plus arm pump-(the colloquial mentada de madre)-Hugo Sanchez does? That is exactly what i do after every post in this thread.