Fire Caleb Porter

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  1. chr1st

    chr1st Member+

    Jan 19, 2011
    Dayton
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    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree on your first statement, not the second. Some coaches want the control that comes along with being the GM/TD. I don't have a problem with that, and it isn't MLS 1.0 thinking.

    I don't think KC is suffering with Vermes at the helm. Most of you suckers seem to think Gigi did a fine job as manager/TD, too.
     
  2. chr1st

    chr1st Member+

    Jan 19, 2011
    Dayton
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I cannot be held responsible for my beer-addled brain, kind sir.
     
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  3. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Carlos Bocanegra. In fact:

    Atlanta - Carlos Bocanegra

    Chicago - Nelson Rodriguez

    Cincinnati - Luke Sassano

    Colorado - Padraig Smith

    Columbus - Pat Onstad (interim)

    DC United - Dave Kasper

    Dallas - Luiz Muzzi

    Houston - Matt Jordan

    LAFC - John Thorrington

    LA Galaxy - ????? (soon to be filled by Dennis te Kloese from the FMF)

    Minnesota - Manny Lagos

    Montreal - Adam Braz

    New England - Mike Burns

    NYCFC - Claudio Reyna

    NYRB - Denis Hamlett

    Orlando - ????? (soon to be filled by burning tires inside an industrial sized dumpster)

    Philadelphia - Ernst Tanner

    Portland - Gavin Wilkinson

    Real Salt Lake - Craig Waibel

    San Jose - Jesse Fioranelli

    Seattle - Garth Lagerwey

    Sporting Kansas City - Peter Vermes*

    Toronto - Tim Bezbatchenko

    Vancouver - Greg Anderson

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    So there you have it. Out of 24 teams, literally just ONE of them has a coach/GM, which is Peter Vermes at KC. So can we stop with the whole 'one guy can do both' nonsense? That is MLS 1.0 thinking, simple as.
     
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  4. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Name one other team that has a coach/GM in MLS. There isn't one.

    Name a team in one of the major European leagues that works that way. Now that Wenger and Ferguson are gone, I bet there aren't any. Hell, look at other American sports, what percentage of teams have a coach/GM? It's just not practical. If all they did was draft college kids, then fine. I don't know how you expect someone to coach a professional team and scout 4-6 continents for players though.
     
  5. hardhead

    hardhead Moderator
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    Aug 19, 2008
    NEO
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    Columbus Crew
    Plus, keep in mind Brian Bliss is in the role of "Director of Player Personnel" at SKC. I'd guess he does most of the scouting and recruiting duties--Vermes just gets a final say.
     
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  6. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
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    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He'd be a good pick if we were playing basketball..
     
  7. Ch(Elsey)

    Ch(Elsey) Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    May 2, 2003
    Green, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A handful of years ago, an inmate asked me if being high on weed for three days could be mitigating circumstances to provide a defense to a vehicle theft during the high.

    “No, that is not how it works,” I said. “But you are free to scour the law for some help.”
     
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  8. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

    A.S. Roma
    Mar 27, 2001
    Zone 14
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    If Porter is indeed the coach you absolutely need a strong GM or similar role. This asshole will want all the power in the world, but must be restrained for the good of himself, and more importantly our club.
     
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  9. chr1st

    chr1st Member+

    Jan 19, 2011
    Dayton
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    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #34 chr1st, Dec 2, 2018
    Last edited: Dec 2, 2018
    Sure, a snapshot of the league this very moment shows most teams essentially every team going with a manager and a GM/TD. That doesn't mean it can't be done. And there are plenty of coaches that want complete power over a team. That doesn't make it an MLS 1.0 relic.

    Let's not pretend the GM/coach dynamic is some new concept. Unless you think LA was light-years already of the curve when they had Alexis Lalas as GM.

    As hardhead pointed out, a guy in both roles needs ancillary support. It's a big ask for one guy.

    Of course, you seemed pretty content with your boy Gigi taking on both jobs.
     
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  10. chr1st

    chr1st Member+

    Jan 19, 2011
    Dayton
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, the Patriots have really struggled with their coach/GM setup.

    And you're ********ing arguing past me, you twit. I AGREED THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A GM! It is hard to do both jobs. Look, we agree!

    I disagree with your assessment that it's MLS 1.0 thinking to have a guy do both jobs. It depends on the coach and the scenario. Some guys want that control and pressure.
     
  11. chr1st

    chr1st Member+

    Jan 19, 2011
    Dayton
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wait, I'm wrong about Alexis. He was only the GM for San Jose and New Jersey.
     
  12. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
  13. chr1st

    chr1st Member+

    Jan 19, 2011
    Dayton
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Double wrong. I guess he was president and GM for LA. Maybe. I don't know. That damned ginger befuddles me.
     
  14. chr1st

    chr1st Member+

    Jan 19, 2011
    Dayton
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You rat bastard.
     
  15. chr1st

    chr1st Member+

    Jan 19, 2011
    Dayton
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When Bruce Arena was coach/GM for LA (and they won those five trophies), that was MLS 1.0, yeah?
     
  16. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    1.0 KHT

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  17. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

    A.S. Roma
    Mar 27, 2001
    Zone 14
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    What the ********, man?
     
  18. hangthadj

    hangthadj Member+

    A.S. Roma
    Mar 27, 2001
    Zone 14
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    You misspelled gin.....common mistake.
     
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  19. ZipSix

    ZipSix BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 20, 2000
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    this really escalated fast. good job message board.
     
  20. Ch(Elsey)

    Ch(Elsey) Member+

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    May 2, 2003
    Green, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Going to be a lovely Christmas.
     
  21. chr1st

    chr1st Member+

    Jan 19, 2011
    Dayton
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And I haven't even got to firing Porter yet!
     
  22. Kryptonite

    Kryptonite BS XXV

    Apr 10, 1999
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This makes me warm inside.
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  23. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, I wasn't. Nice of you to just make shit up though. I'm not a fan of the coach + GM role, at all, in any sport, in any country. Period. Clear enough?
     
  24. Kyle Crew

    Kyle Crew Member+

    Feb 23, 2013
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How long ago was that? 2010, 2011, 2012, and 2014. So yeah, let's wind back the clock nearly a decade!!! Literally rolling back the years to 1.0 lol
     
  25. Draghignazzo

    Draghignazzo Member+

    Feb 24, 2007
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    ouch.
     

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