News: Fire Berhalter

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by bigredmachine, Oct 15, 2019.

  1. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    I don't know anything about what players or other insiders think but if were true, it would ruin a few posters days...or weeks. They would have to find new captions for photos....
     
  2. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    Ummm......Did you actually watch the first half of Brazil's game against South Korea??? They boat raced them....then put it in Sunday Drive for the second half and strolled into the Rd of 8.

    France did similar to Poland.

    The U24's, no matter who the coach isn't beating either of Brazil or France.
     
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  3. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're talking about Benfica's 5th choice center-back with less than 2 minutes league football this season right?
     
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  4. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well you're not going be happy with whoever USSF chooses are you because it's USSF.

    And first time they start a MLS player over a second tier European player you're going to claim they have a quota.

    And if it's a popular foreign coach who fails you're going to blame Earnie Stewart or Don Garber or Alexi Lalas or the MLS academy system.

    You're like the QAnon of American soccer.
     
  5. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You mentioned 2018, you mentioned Sarachan then you mentioned the Nations League finals.

    In 2018 Sarachan brought in the European based players that are the heart of today's team. He also tried a bunch of other UEFA based players.

    In the Nations League finals Berhalter fielded teams almost entirely composed of European based players.

    So when it comes to a question of quotas etc I don't think there's any real evidence.
     
  6. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    are you implying he brought "better" players due to it being the semi/final? or was it completely random that he "only" had 5 mls players there?

    because we took 9 mls players to the world cup.

    what are you trying to show evidence of?
     
  7. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You are making an argument without evidence.I don't necessarily disagree with you here, but show your work.
     
  8. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He doesn’t hate it, it’s just a pose he has adopted.
     
  9. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 10, 2000
    Cincilluminati
    Club:
    Los Angeles Sol
    Nat'l Team:
    Philippines
    I can't believe Berhalter would say this:

     
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  10. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    He wouldn't be wrong about Neymar.
     
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  11. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Right or wrong, that's been the case for the last two WCs (although we weren't outscored in 2010, I guess).
     
  12. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Apparently, not all the players want Greg back and weren't big fans of his ridiculous inconsistent messaging about stupid call ups. That seemed obvious all along.
     
  13. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not calling you a liar or anything, but where did you hear or see this? I haven’t seen or heard anything like that.
     
  14. Fighting Illini

    Fighting Illini Member+

    Feb 6, 2014
    Chicago
    It's in the Athletic article from yesterday.

    "Another source close to others in the squad said that some players felt Berhalter’s messaging about why he called some players and excluded others was inconsistent over the course of the cycle."

    https://theathletic.com/3986487/2022/12/09/gregg-berhalter-usmnt-contract/

    Coherence and consistency in who he calls in and why is not a Gregg strength, I can't imagine anyone reasonably disagreeing with that. An issue that the lack of warm up matches exacerbated.
     
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  15. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    1) I'd like a South American manager. Must be several high-caliber ones that aren't hugely big names that would cost an arm and a leg.
    2) What's the motivation for Gregg to remain should he not be fired?
    3) We gotta find a way to de-attach the NT's reliance on leadership and management coming strictly from MLS. Managers with experience in other leagues or coaching other NTs would be something worthwhile to take a chance on for the next 4 years.
     
  16. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    How is this possible? Everyone on here keeps telling me all the players love him.

    Also, if you would have waited 30 mins, someone would have called me a liar.
     
  17. RossD

    RossD Member

    Aug 17, 2013
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    So I guess you think there should be complete agreement among the players as to who is called in. Inconceivable they'd have personal favorites too. No idea why you'd expect that. Some of the crap people pick at is ridiculous. Please show me a team where all the players are in complete agreement on who else the coach called in.

    Uhm, you can love your coach and disagree over some of his choices. No idea why you think you can only love someone if you completely agree with the choices they make. I guess love is conditional to you.
     
  18. Fighting Illini

    Fighting Illini Member+

    Feb 6, 2014
    Chicago
    The reason this matters is how heavily the public case for retaining Berhalter would have to rely on the incorrect lie that he has the total faith and support of the player pool and they are pushing for him to continue.

    That isn't true but the federation is going to lie in our faces and force the players to lie in our faces if they decide that they are too afraid of change to do their jobs properly.
     
  19. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    I highly doubt the federation is forcing players to lie to our faces. Most likely situation I’d bet on is Berhalter won’t be back and as time goes on we’ll continue to hear some positive and negative feedback from various players, but I’m not expecting to hear of any significant divide like was talked about last cycle.
     
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  20. RossD

    RossD Member

    Aug 17, 2013
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Dude, some of your conspiracy theories are getting completely unhinged. Do you really think anyone but 1 or 2 other guys here listens to anything you say?

    Love how you get to decide what doing their job properly looks like. :thumbsup:
     
  21. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Some players like him, some don't.

    It's as if some of you have never been in social situations. ;)
     
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  22. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Well that is a pretty dumb thing to say. You guessed wrong. I domt think every player has agree on the coach, but that isn't what we are talking about. I do think there is an issue when the only known support is from a bunch of dead weight that shouldn't have been there in the first place and 35 yo and the concern is from players playing at big clubs. So yeah, if the starting lineup and first few guys off the bench has an issue with him, it is a real big deal.

    No clue what this gibberish is about love.
     
  23. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    Not only that, but I doubt there are many coaches that are universally loved or hated. Probably more that are universally hated I suppose, but even that is likely very rare.
     
  24. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    Just curious. I couldn't read it without a subscription and don't plan to sign up. Did it actually name players? Did it say how many players were unhappy with him? was it just that they were unhappy with his callups/inconsistency in messaging or did it mention other aspects as well? Did it actually mention that they don't want to see him return or was that inferred?
     
  25. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Too early to say. It’ll be whichever player sees his form collapse in 2025.
     
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