proposal to be announced for chicago soccer stadium Peter Wilt, fire GM, said today at the fire charity luncheon that on next monday a proposal to build a soccer specific stadium in some chicago area community will be announced.
clarification Fire is issuing a request for proposals on Monday...NOT a proposal. BIG difference. sorry, peter
Look for that suburb to be West of the city as I know for a fact they've looked at the availability of land in Naperville within the past year.
Very interesting. According to Wilt: "Many of the communities have been pre-selected based on ongoing communications we've had with them over the last year or so." That makes a lot of sense. You'd think that Wilt wouldn't just send out an RFP if he didn't already have an idea about which communities may be interested. Even so, I'm just curious about why you'd issue an RFP in the first place and then discuss doing so publicly. Why not negotiate with certain communities more quietly behind the scenes? I'm not at all criticizing Wilt's approach - he certainly seems to know what he's doing - just curious why you'd go so public about the process at this point.
Re: proposal to be announced for chicago soccer stadium Yeah WHOO HOO ( Sarcastic!!!) Please!! Biggest politcal spin that I have ever seen. Yeah let's wait a whole two seasons after Arlington dies to do this!! This has about as much weight as the 60-90 day announcements that come from NY.
Re: Re: proposal to be announced for chicago soccer stadium Hey, how about you submit your resume to MLS to get these deals done. I'm sure you're qualified.
Re: Re: Re: proposal to be announced for chicago soccer stadium You want to see where I am coming from?? Talk to the fans of the Metro's they will tell how this stuff works. You want to buy everything that is said on here feel free! I don't and I won't! I said all along when things are done great I tip my hat. When I "feel" smoke being blown up my ass I say it!! I may be wrong I may not be. Time will tell!! I just feel that proposal for stadiums is something should have been worked on all this time not just left sitting on the shelf until this coming Monday. I understand that they had Naperville stuff to worry about and hammering out deals with SF. AEG is a big company they should have handled the Arlington fiasco better!! and they should have these types of things going simultaneously!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: proposal to be announced for chicago soccer stadium The piece of the article that I quote above has Wilt saying that the Fire’s been in communication with several communities. As I suggest above, that's the only way it makes any sense to announce that you're issuing an RFP. The loss of credibility would occur if you announced that you're sending out an RFP and then received no serious response. Since Wilt indicates that the Fire's been in communication with communities for some time, it's likely that he has a good idea about what sort of response will probably come from one or more communities.
What exactly goes into a response to a RFP? Are they a detailed bid with specifics on proposed financing, location, etc, or are they more general in nature?
I certainly don't claim RFP expertise - some people spend much of their time writing and responding to RFPs - but most RFPs I’ve read are detailed enough allow the bidders to identify with reasonable specificity in their responses the resources that they’d provide (e.g., amount and qualifications of any staff, location and descriptions of any real property, amount and type of any equipment, etc.), related experience that they would bring to the project, and amount of time that the project would take (including milestones). The issuer often provides supporting materials as part of the RFP that would help the bidder understand what should go into the response (in this case, maybe things like financing structures and general stadium drawings from the Frisco project). Given that limited knowledge, I think two things about the Fire issuing an RFP to communities for a public-private stadium proposal strike me as interesting: First, there’s a public sector involvement that may affect what goes into the RFP and the response. I have no knowledge of Illinois public finance law, but certain requirements about public disclosures may apply when a public jurisdiction (e.g., city, county, regional development authority, school district, etc.) is going to propose spending at least some specified amount on a project. If so, then it may make sense for the RFP and/or response to specify in detail what level of public investment would be necessary and over what time frame. Second, this seems to me to present an almost inverted relationship between the RFP issuer and the potential bidders. Usually, the issuer needs some goods and/or services and has the money to pay a winning bidder. In this case, the issuer has a need (i.e., a public-private partnership for a stadium), but wants the bidder to provide, presumably, most of the money. Of course, the analysis would be premised on the idea that both the issuer (the Fire) and the bidder (a community) would benefit from the stadium. So this issuer needs to present this RFP in a more persuasive light to these bidders than is usually necessary. That’s part of the reason why I think it’s probable that Wilt and the Fire must already have some idea of who’s likely to respond. In any event, putting together a good RFP requires some time and effort. The fact that the Fire are issuing their RFP this Monday (4/7), only a few days after the Frisco public-private stadium deal was announced, also indicates that they've been doing quite a bit of work for some time.
It's either Really Funny Person or Request For Proposals. Judging by the title of this thread, I would go with the person one b/c I only see one mention of a proposal.
Re: Re: Re: Re: proposal to be announced for chicago soccer stadium You mean trying to get a SSS stadium built in tough economic times is hard? My goodness, stop the presses. Just because things don't happen at the pace you want, doesn't mean you need to act like an ass.
It depends. Typically the person making the request will outline specific items that should be addressed in answering the request. What items the Fire wants addressed in its request is probably fairly predictable - land, financing the city might offer, locations, etc., etc., etc. The general idea is to get communities who are interested in the project competing for the right to win it.
The best wishes for the new proposal. I hope your plans for a new Stadium can become a reality very soon. I realized that Chicago has enough fans to filled a 25,000 seat stadium most of the time. Chicago next to LA, NY/NJ and CL. DC are the best attendancewise
It's great to see that the Fire is committed to a SSS. After I heard how good the Soldier Field deal was, I was afraid that any hope was in the really distant future. This gets it moving again. I hope that Chicago puts together a proposal.
Who was asked? Were RFPs sent to cities only, or were counties allowed to bid? Here's my question: SF is on park land and belongs to the park district. The Forest Preserve District has heaps of land along the Edens Expressway in Chicago. Could a Frisco style development, maybe 3 or four grass fields and one or two plastic ones, plus parking and a stadium, be set up on land the county owns? Before shooting this idea down, consider, the cook county board is broke. They've been forced to shut down tobogan runs to cut costs. Those things take up a great deal of space and sit idle 9 months out of the year. A soccer facility could be in use several times a week (the grounds; the stadium, though, could host international games any weekend the Fire wasn't at home) for 9 months and could generate some revenue for the county board. The land requirements are quite small, since they could utilize existing parking facilities, only having to expand a bit, and will keep a lot of green space open. What kind of legislation would make this possible--and might it offer a way around Daley--particularly after 2006, when the Republicans retake Springfield?