FINAL 23

Discussion in 'England' started by essie, Apr 28, 2016.

  1. essie

    essie Member

    May 4, 2007
    Mission Viejo
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Hart
    Forster
    Heaton

    Smalling
    Cahill
    Stones
    Carrick
    Clyne
    Shaw
    Rose

    Dier
    Alli
    Milner
    Wilshere
    Barkley
    Lallana
    Sterling
    Walcott

    Rooney
    Kane
    Welbeck
    Sturridge
    Vardy
     
  2. essie

    essie Member

    May 4, 2007
    Mission Viejo
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Carrick in for Jagielka based on versatility. Neither likely to play anyway
     
  3. TheOwlFace

    TheOwlFace Member

    Apr 7, 2016
    Club:
    AC Ajaccio
    Hart
    Forster
    Heaton

    Clyne
    Walker
    Smalling
    Cahill
    Stones
    Jagielka
    Rose

    Wilshere
    Dier
    Milner
    Drinkwater
    Alli
    Barkley
    Lallana
    Sterling

    Kane
    Vardy
    Rooney
    Sturridge
    Welbeck


    Only close decision was whether or not to bring a second specialized left back. I think however Clyne can offer cover here if needed. Tough on Bertrand but you just can't leave Walker behind imo.

    Jags hamstring needs monitoring. If he wasn't fit I would probably bring Delph and use Dier as 4th choice cb cover.
     
  4. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    True on the basis about versatility but god help us if Carrick would have to play centre back, he would get murdered against International forwards.

    The only changes from you're team I would make would be to take out Carrick with Jags ( even though that depresses me but who else is there thats not green at centre back ) and take out Walcott and replace him with Walker. I would take 8 defenders myself with two specialists at right back and left back. Not sure Shaw will make it so if he doesnt I would replace him with Bertrand.
     
  5. hussar

    hussar Member+

    Jun 24, 2015
    Hart
    Forster
    Heaton

    Clyne
    Walker
    Rose
    Bertrand/Shaw if fit
    Cahill
    Stones
    Smalling

    Dier
    Wilshere/if not fit, then Delph
    Drinkwater
    Milner
    Alli
    Barkley
    Sterling
    Lallana

    Kane
    Vardy
    Sturridge
    Welbeck
    Rooney
     
  6. sinner78

    sinner78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 7, 2001
    Hart
    Heaton
    Forster

    Gibbs
    Clynne
    Stones
    Smalling
    Cahill
    Bertrand
    Jones


    Drinkwater
    Ali
    Dier
    Henderson
    Barkley
    Sterling
    Lallana
    Carrick


    vardy
    sturridge
    Rooney
    Kane
    Welbeck
     
  7. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Go on then.

    Hart
    Forster
    Foster
    Smalling
    Jagielka
    Cahill
    Stones
    Clyne
    Walker
    Bertrand
    Shaw (or Rose if Shaw doesn't make it)
    Dier
    Wilshere
    Delph
    Alli
    Barkley
    Lallana
    Sterling
    Welbeck
    Kane
    Sturridge
    Rooney
    Vardy

    I'm assuming that Henderson won't make it back in time, but I'm not sure who I'd replace even if he does. I probably ought to be assuming that Shaw won't make it but I love him so I'm giving in to wishful thinking.

    My squad's changed a fair bit over the last few months and it might again. Walcott would have been a starter for me, never mind a squad member, if his recent performances hadn't been so non-descript. I'd probably also have taken 7 defenders but I've been persuaded by the arguments about the importance of specialist full-backs to our width in attack. Stones is in there largely for experience, but it is a little concerning how long his bad patch is dragging on for. Hopefully his next manager will be able to do something about it.
     
  8. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    I'm becoming torn regarding the decision of taking Jagielka. Will almost certainly be his last England campaign and he's only going as cover. If he could be relied upon at this level then I would pick him but he's never really been comfortable at the highest level.

    Hart, Forster, Heaton

    Clyne, Walker, Rose, Bertrand, Smalling, Cahill, Stones.

    Dier, Wilshere, Barkley, Lallana, Alli.

    Rooney, Vardy, Sturridge, Kane, Sterling, Welbeck.

    My two remaining places would go to a runner/energy option (Milner/Drinkwater). The other options goes to either a centre back (Jagielka/Jones) or an extra midfield option (Carrick/Delph).
     
  9. TheOwlFace

    TheOwlFace Member

    Apr 7, 2016
    Club:
    AC Ajaccio
    I can't believe so many are endorsing bringing four specialized full backs. That's a complete misuse of resources imvho.
     
  10. sinner78

    sinner78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 7, 2001
    Fullback is a big position in the modern game. When they are expected to provide attacking support..
    In my squad I had 3 full backs and other players who can cover the position.
     
  11. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    We will lack genuine width further up the pitch and our style relies on full backs to be able to do alot of work further up the field to create space. This means playing this way in tournament football is very demanding of the full backs. We simply don't have other squad options that can replicate that style if they are to stand in.

    Our weakest areas of the squad are deeper CM roles and CB's. It could be argued overloading in these areas is pretty redundant.
     
  12. W.A.S.P.

    W.A.S.P. Member+

    Leeds United
    England
    Sep 20, 2012
    St. Louis
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Hart, Forster, Heaton.

    Clyne, Walker, Rose, Shaw, Smalling, Cahill, Stones.

    Dier, Wilshere, Alli, Sterling, Barkley, Lallana, Drinkwater.

    Rooney, Kane, Vardy, Welbeck, Sturridge.[​IMG]

    Walker and Shaw will be the reserved full backs, but Stones and Dier can play as RB's too. Dier can play as a CB as well. Gotta include Sterling with his skills and pace.

    [​IMG]

    I'd say that's one of the top five most threatening attacks in the competition. I'd start Shaw over Rose, but I don't want to be too unrealistic. Wilshere, Alli, and Sterling will be a tidy trio in the midfield. Concerned how we'll do against Russia. If we beat them then it'll set the tempo for us to win the rest of our group games.
     
  13. TheOwlFace

    TheOwlFace Member

    Apr 7, 2016
    Club:
    AC Ajaccio
    Replace Sterling with Drinkwater and swap positions with Alli and that's my team for the opening match. Caveats being Wilshere proves his fitness in the friendlies.
     
  14. W.A.S.P.

    W.A.S.P. Member+

    Leeds United
    England
    Sep 20, 2012
    St. Louis
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I'm afraid that Drinkwater isn't suited for this position. He's better off the bench.

    Alli played in a deeper role against Germany and he was the best player.
     
  15. hussar

    hussar Member+

    Jun 24, 2015
    No he didn't: Dier and Henderson played deep, Welbeck, Alli and Lallana played in front of them.
     
  16. TheOwlFace

    TheOwlFace Member

    Apr 7, 2016
    Club:
    AC Ajaccio
    I personally don't get the hype about Dier. To me he looks to be a centre half playing in midfield. Poor touch and ball manipulation.
     
  17. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    It's all about opinions of course but I like Dier despite him losing it last night. Maybe it's just me but I don't see him lose the ball that often and he's good on the ball plus his protection of the defense is usually solid.
     
  18. W.A.S.P.

    W.A.S.P. Member+

    Leeds United
    England
    Sep 20, 2012
    St. Louis
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    [​IMG]
     
  19. hussar

    hussar Member+

    Jun 24, 2015
    It was rather 4-2-3-1 I think, with Welbeck on the right, and Alli in the hole?
     
  20. TheOwlFace

    TheOwlFace Member

    Apr 7, 2016
    Club:
    AC Ajaccio
    I'm struggling to see the merits of naming the squad before the last round of premier league fixtures. Players who have been left out may end up being needed due to injury and will generally not be good for squad moral.
     
  21. sinner78

    sinner78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 7, 2001
    I hope Woy doesnt do that "standby squad" bullsh**
    players who had disputes with this list have been blacklisted by Woy and never picked again .
     
  22. W.A.S.P.

    W.A.S.P. Member+

    Leeds United
    England
    Sep 20, 2012
    St. Louis
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    This is the squad we had against Germany.
     
  23. hussar

    hussar Member+

    Jun 24, 2015
    The players, but not the formation.
     
  24. W.A.S.P.

    W.A.S.P. Member+

    Leeds United
    England
    Sep 20, 2012
    St. Louis
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    No, that is the same formation. I literally looked up the formation they played on pasted that onto here. That was Alli playing a deeper role.
     
  25. hussar

    hussar Member+

    Jun 24, 2015
    OK, but I still remember differently. So that's a stalemate :(
     

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