FIFA's 6+5 rule: In favor or against?

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by pc4th, May 28, 2008.

  1. ChelseaForTheCup(s)

    ChelseaForTheCup(s) New Member

    May 27, 2008
    It's not my opinion, it is fact.

    I'm going to hold my temper, but you are being a fool for saying this is racism. They are not going out and saying, "No black people", or "No Asians". Your logic is totally flawed. They are not being racist.
     
  2. Frosty

    Frosty Member

    May 29, 2008
    Its most definately not Racism,
    its just Employment Discrimination.
     
  3. ChelseaForTheCup(s)

    ChelseaForTheCup(s) New Member

    May 27, 2008
    Exactly.

    Plus I can only imagine all of the lawsuits if this occurred. Because footballers have jobs, and if this came into effect, it'd be like saying "Oh, we have too many Indians working at 7/11, time to fire them in place of our home grown Americans".
     
  4. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    You keep hammering on this as though it applies to everyone the way it applies to you.

    I'm a Pittsburgh Steelers (American football) fan, have been for more than 3/4 of my life. I don't care where the players come from, and wouldn't care where the players came from if I lived in Pittsburgh. I realize that's not a perfect analogy because all of them are American citizens, but I wouldn't care if they all came from other countries, either.

    It's professional athletics. It's about putting the best talent on the field, IMO. And I felt that way when I was still a little kid.


    Exactly.

    Very well put.

    And if the Game in ANY country needs some sort of protectionist legislation to preserve its "soul" (whatever that means), that's just sad. Football as an entity doesn't care who plays where- only people with axes to grind about other nations and cultures care about such things.

    If there's anything uniquely (insert name of nation here) AND successful about a game, it will be taught and thus preserved. If it doesn't result in success on the pitch, the question of whether it needs to be taught OR preserved can (and probably should) be raised.
     
  5. tino11

    tino11 New Member

    Dec 15, 2004
    Karlsruhe - Germany
    by being forced to devolp talent......isn't that the point?

    ......and btw, I think after Brazil, Germany; who you mention above are the most successful national team on the planet.
     
  6. Monzon

    Monzon Member

    Feb 7, 2005
    we have lots since allways, but still we produce many players too
     
  7. ChelseaForTheCup(s)

    ChelseaForTheCup(s) New Member

    May 27, 2008
    That will hardly accomplish anything in my eyes (this rule), in regards to producing talent. Those who are truly good shine through, and are a cut above the rest.

    A country like Germany would hardly care about a rule like this from what I've seen of the Bundesliga.
     
  8. AcesHigh

    AcesHigh Member+

    Nov 30, 2005
    Novo Hamburgo
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I am 100% in favor of it.

    Thus, the european clubs will stop bleeding south american football empty of their good players.
     
  9. bosterosoy

    bosterosoy New Member

    Jan 22, 2007
    In a House
    It is a little different because 1) as you said, they are all from USA anyways and 2) American sports are all just based and play in the USA, there is no equivalent of the Champions League/Copa Libertadores/UEFA Cup/Copa Sudamericana/FIFA Club's World Cup/World Cup etc etc
     
  10. Cool Rob

    Cool Rob Member

    Sep 26, 2002
    Chicago USA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Major League Baseball is full of foreign players. I haven't heard many complaints about the Dominicans taking over the "national pastime" because they're so darn good. Likewise for the Europeans, Argentines, and Africans in the NBA.

    Look at France- it seems like that whole league is foreign. Has it stopped France from being a major force?
     
  11. AKITOD

    AKITOD Member+

    Apr 5, 2007
    Hobart, Aust
    Club:
    JEF United Ichihara
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    I hear a lot of England supporters saying its a rubbish rule and so on.

    What this rule will do is breach the gap between the big clubs and small clubs. It does mean that domestic players and overseas players prices will go up substantially.

    But for england, it does mean the NT in about 5 years will probably be in the top tier of world football.

    The leagues from up and coming places like Japan where there is the money to compete in the european transfer market to a degree, they're limit is 3 overseas players so they will get better.

    World football will be a lot closer than it is now.

    Some leagues will benefit, only the big leagues like the EPL will suffer.

    What the smart teams will do is buy as much young talent from their country and train them up for when they are forced to play them.
     
  12. Prenn

    Prenn Member

    Apr 14, 2000
    Northern Ireland
    Club:
    Bolton Wanderers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Utterly illogical.
     
  13. The_ChelseaSupporter

    Mar 25, 2007
    Olympia, WA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This has convinced me even more that this is a bad rule.
     
  14. Cool Rob

    Cool Rob Member

    Sep 26, 2002
    Chicago USA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ronaldinho To Reject Galaxy Fortune
    http://www.goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=739732

    "Ronaldinho is set to turn down a mammoth pay package offer from LA Galaxy to join David Beckham in Major League Soccer because he wants to stay at the highest level in Europe.
    The American outfit are said to have laid a deal on the table that would see the Barça star earn around €32m-per-year after tax, according to El Mundo Deportivo.

    That staggering contract would be split down the middle with Ronladinho having a €16m playing contract as well as receiving a further €16m for image rights. After making a profit on the capture of Beckham from Real Madrid, the Galaxy hierarchy believe that they could also do the same with the Blaugrana's fallen idol."

    This is how it starts!
     
  15. bosterosoy

    bosterosoy New Member

    Jan 22, 2007
    In a House
    no because they just give citizenship to those players along with a Les Blues shirt and solved the problem
     
  16. rizzuto123

    rizzuto123 Member

    May 3, 2006
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    BS that what they want to develop and sell there players to rich clubs.
     
  17. rizzuto123

    rizzuto123 Member

    May 3, 2006
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    France doesn't have a big foriegn problem as England do its about 38% foriegn compared to 67%
     
  18. pc4th

    pc4th New Member

    Jun 14, 2003
    North Poll
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=622632&sec=global&cc=5901

     
  19. lynne

    lynne Member+

    Oct 11, 2003
    Saying that a person can be hired, but then that the company can discriminate against them in how they can advance is still discrimination -- you know these time-honored strategies (and these people all got to work!):

    a) black people have to work in the kitchen

    b) women have to take a 10 min break every hour and get paid 60% of the men's salary because of it

    Telling a player that he can be on the team, but can't play because of his nationality is discrimination. I don't quite get the point of all these ideas...are they trying to ruin the development of soccer in emerging nations by ensuring that the players there can't move as freely to better teams/leagues?

    Or are these roundabout ways to control the players better?
     
  20. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    One concern with it is that it might not take into account players deciding to play for another country through family links. A club could develop a player from the age of 12, then at 19 he might decide to play for Wales because his dad is Welsh, and suddenly he'd become a foreign player.
     
  21. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Blatter is an idiot. This 6 + 5 rule is stupid. If a team starts incurring injuries to key "home land" players, it may have to change other parts of the team, use players out of position, and overall team formation and tactics just to satisfy this rule.

    It's a disastrous idea.
     
  22. rizzuto123

    rizzuto123 Member

    May 3, 2006
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    well South America has had this discrimnating rule forever now as well as the world, so why can't Europe.

    I care about National team football, so if it betters countries then i am all for it. Blatter is saving football from the greedy EPL and teams like Inter and Arsenal who have lost there idenity, fielding a whole team of foriegns is disgraceful and should not be allowed.

    what about a 4+7 rule, that may make more sense, But only for England.
     
  23. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Then u just limit the total amount of foreigners on the team. You can't say that a team can start a game at 6+5 then finish at 3+7 due to subs. That creates a bunch of problems.

    I still think it's not a good idea. It's the scape goat for England NT's lack of success. They should concentrate in better ways to "raise" better players.
     
  24. Big Soccer Member

    Jan 16, 2008
    Surrey, England
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Inter's name in Italian means International. They were founded on the basis of playing many foreigners. So they are keeping there identity.
     
  25. Big Soccer Member

    Jan 16, 2008
    Surrey, England
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Can anybody think of any players of the type who would benefit from this type of rule. Players who were not thought of as amazing prospects as youngsters, and only developed into one because they were given the chance.

    The only people I can think of are the naturalised Brazilians like Senna and Deco. But guess what, this rule would only serve to harm their development.

    Coaching at a young age will make different national teams better, not thrusting undeserving players into the first team at 20.
     

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