FIFA World Ranking

Discussion in 'Women's International' started by jonny63, Mar 17, 2006.

  1. Chicago76

    Chicago76 Member+

    Jun 9, 2002
    Cuz they’re a hermit state that doesn’t keep busy with much of anything. The quality of the women’s game is improving due to club investment. They can’t compete on that level because their players can’t leave for those leagues. The public doesn’t even have access to the FIFA rankings table. So from a propaganda perspective, it’s better to live on past glories than it is to play and show progressively worse results against the bigger teams.
     
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  2. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Once again, you've shown you don't understand at all how these rankings work. It's just equations with a very predictable schedule.

    Japan has only played friendlies since the WWC. Friendlies generally don't move the rankings much in the first place. (Despite what you seem to think in other threads concerning teams like Spain.) So yes, Japan beat Canada, but that wouldn't have been worth much more than 10pts to begin with, and then they put on a fairly weak performance against RSA, which would have cost them points. Both of those friendlies were at home, too, so that makes it harder for Japan to earn points and easier for them to lose points.

    England fell by a whopping 21 points, which is impressive with no official competition being had, PLUS those results you mention were already factored in to the previous ranking release. The results that have happened since are home losses to BRA and GER and away wins to POR and CZE.

    DPK's inactivity is not what caused them to drop from the top 10. Ratings don't "decay". The only reason they've "dropped" is because other teams around them actually improved their rating. (And the Cyprus Cup results are oooold - they've already been factored in to previous ranking releases.)
     
  3. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Looking a bit further around the rankings, you can really see the shake-up happening in Africa: both NGA and CMR lost three spots in the ranking, and GHA lose ten spots, while CTI gained six spots and CON and KEN gained ten spots each. Granted, some of those gains came from teams dropping out of the rankings, but it's still quite impressive.

    You can also see KSV's gains and TUR's losses sticking out in UEFA, as well as TRI's crash versus SKN's rise in CONCACAF.
     
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  4. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
    In terms of CAF nations, Senegal & Burkina Faso should return to the rankings in June as long as they participate in the African Cup of Nations qualifiers in April. Others not currently ranked but scheduled in the qualifiers in April are: Gabon, Central African Rep., Sao Tome E. P., Burundi, Djibouti, Liberia, Guinea-Bissau, Gambia, Togo & Niger.
     
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  5. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I understand the ranking system, I'm just sayin; I personally don't believe in them. I'm obviously not the world's greatest expert on woso, but my pre WC prediction was that the Dutch were going to make it into the final despite at the time they were only ranked #8 by FIFA.& have a rather weak, domestic league(you made a big deal of this on that other threat)
    Despite not looking that sharp for the year, there were various other reasons to pick the Dutch finalists;
    1) their coach implantments very rigorous/extreme training/conditioning programs just prior to a major tournament

    2) the so called superstars it had; FIFA's 2017 poy, Lieke Martens/the potential of having the world's best player in Miedema/perhaps the speediest in van de Sanden/excellent 'free kick' specialist in Spitse/strong enough play making skills from both DVD & Groenen/and for the rest as well; a nice balance of technical/physical & athletic players

    3) they went into the tourney without major injuries(though Martens broken toe doomed them in the end)

    4) what they understood what the French men understood in 2019, as well as Jill Ellis understood(add pre-WC, #9 Sweden); right now what works best in both mens & womens is fast transition. As compared to previous soccer tactics like 2010's tiki taka or Jorgie Low's retro, total futbol concept of 2014

    so again, if you feel FIFA ratings are the way to show who are the top teams in the world, then more power to you, I prefer by how well they do in the World Cup(in this case that got Holland & Sweden completely wrong)

    and of course the US will stay at #1, but what's hidden by FIFA's ranking, is the main reason why the US stays on top in woso...........the little thingy called TITLE IX
     
  6. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    It's fine if you don't believe them, but then don't say
    because every single one of those three situations is worded as if you don't know which matches are or aren't causing the differences between this release and the previous one, or know how timing and weighting work in general. If you understand how the FIFA rankings work, you wouldn't make those kinds of statements.
     
  7. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it's important to remember that your having predicted the Dutch would make the final does not mean you're good at ranking teams or the FIFA system isn't. Any more than the FIFA system having the USA at #1 and the USA winning the WCC means that the FIFA system is good at ranking teams. These are too small data sets from which to draw conclusions about how good you or FIFA is at ranking teams. (Arguing from one data point is a good example of the apparently built-in tendency of people to fall victim to the false "Law of Small Numbers," which is a very hard tendency too overcome. The Law of Small Numbers being that any data set, no matter how small, is a good one from which to draw conclusions.)
     
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  8. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    right your are, now N Korea even pulls out of qualifying for the Olympics. Woso is one of the few sports they were good at, as they won the 2016 u20 World Cup(so their future should of been bright)
    N. Korea to skip women's Olympic football qualifying tournament in S. Korea: source - The Korea Herald
     
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  9. Chicago76

    Chicago76 Member+

    Jun 9, 2002
    Standard operating procedure for totalitarian states is to chase medals/achievement in sports that are “low hanging fruit”. Maximum achievement for minimum cost. WoSo was one of those things 25 years ago when it was basically USA, GER, NOR, SWE and a handful of 2nd tier teams. Now we have ITA, ESP joining rising NED, ENG, FRA. Canada and Australia improving but basically treading water because almost everyone is improving. Brazil lingering, but countries like Chile and Argentina improving. Japan making enormous strides.

    Time was a huge advantage earlier. Assemble 40 of your best female athletes, feed and shelter them and toss them on a muddy pitch for hours at a time together. Make that their job while a gifted player in France has to hold down a full time job and play on the side. You’d have a reasonable expectation of placing fairly well internationally if you only gave the women time and nothing else. You need technical resources that extend beyond time today. So they’ll probably be moving on.
     
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  10. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
    For those wondering, North Korea would need to be inactive for 18 months to be removed from the rankings.
     
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