FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022: England Tournament Thread [R]

Discussion in 'England' started by BarryfromEastenders, Aug 4, 2022.

  1. United1

    United1 Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Why did England get to regain possession in their own half after 2 minutes of stoppage time expired, then given more time to get down field to score before half?
     
  2. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    If suspect City truly want him they will probably get him as they rarely outbid for players even by Madrid/PSG.

    I feel Rice might go Man United through if Newcastle do make the CL I can see him being wanted by them.
     
  3. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    Because Jude Bellingham in full flow is just too mesmerising to watch.
     
  4. Fullerov

    Fullerov Member

    Bristol Rovers
    Nov 30, 2004
    Club:
    Bristol Rovers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    There was a corner in 1st half injury time. Presumably some extra added on as a result.
     
  5. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    It can get confusing because Ref’s don’t have to allow corners to be taken if they is no time but most but not all at this World Cup have been.
     
  6. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
     
  7. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    It's a minimum of 2 minutes, not just 2 minutes. Ref can add 10 if he wants after the sign had gone up.
     
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  8. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    The evolution from prospect to international player.
     
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  9. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Sounds like the back four will remain with Southgate saying he won’t stray too far from what we have been playing so far this tournament.
     
  10. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    #3110 Fireburn47, Dec 5, 2022
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  11. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    #3111 MrSnrub, Dec 5, 2022
    Last edited: Dec 5, 2022
    This is a negative article even for The Guardian. A classic revising England's successes to play everything down, while simultaneously also making mountains out of molehills of England's supposed issues.

    I would hope Southgate does not give thought to doommongering defensive issues, the fact is England have basically conceded 4 chances of any reasonable note in the last 3 games (correct me if i'm wrong):

    - McKennie half volleying over the bar in the box, should have done better
    - Pulisic hitting the bar - though extremely difficult to score from the angle he was at so more of a good attempt than a chance conceded.
    - Sarr spooning over the bar in the six yard box - only golden chance
    - Dia? getting a decent save from Pickford, though would have been ruled out for handball in build up

    If that qualifies as defensive vulnerability then pretty much every team in the tournament should be going to 5 at the back also. Obsession of Maguire's pace has really got so overblown also. It may well be the case at some point he gets blown away or the line is too high and we get punished. Just as with every other defence in the tournament. You'd think every other team has 100m sprinters at centre back the way people go on about it. Brazil have a 38 year old, Argentina have 34 year old Otamendi and Portugal have 39 year old Pepe starting but we must have this carry on and daily thought pieces that England have a slow centre back and apparently the entire side has to be severely altered to accomodate that.

    It all ties into a inferiority complex this country has. Yes France can hurt us, yes Mbappe is amazing. But we can hurt them also. Maybe it goes wrong, but sitting 5 men in defence so deep that no one gets beat for pace is just accepting defeat before you even start and trying to keep the score down. France have a higher expected goals against than us this tournament and yet apparently its our defensive frailties that we need to take away from the entire attack just to cover?
     
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  12. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    If we go one nil down against France which is entirely possible.. Southgate will go all defensive as usual and shut up with the hope we get a few free kicks and corners
     
  13. RobTheFool

    RobTheFool Member+

    Apr 19, 2008
    London, England
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Great post. My thoughts exactly, our defence issues really are over exaggerated. Stones plays for one of the best teams in Europe, our full backs are strong and Maguire isn't great for man utd but for England he's a different animal. Neither CB is fast but that's the same for most countries..
     
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  14. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    The times are a rag paper. We have excellent cover in Henderson and rice. Why Change it. Bellingham can be our game changer the way mbappe is for France
     
  15. ht_hu96

    ht_hu96 Member+

    Middlesbrough
    England
    May 23, 2019
    This fixation on England’s defensive frailties based on conceding 2 goals against Iran, one which was a dubious penalty, and then 2 or 3 chances over 180 minutes vs Senegal and USA is ridiculous.

    In tournaments under Southgate, we have conceded 12 goals in 18 games. Two of which were in the utterly meaningless 3rd place playoff match in Russia. Even if we count those two, that rate of conceding goals would mean only 25 goals conceded over the course of a pl season. Puts into perspective how ridiculous this narrative is.

    Mbappe may well turn up against us and expose vulnerabilities. However, he is probably the best player in the world at the moment and is capable of ripping anyone to shreds. It will say more about him than us if he does prove the difference on Saturday.

    It’s not just the English media who play England down though, but everyone outside the country. “They’ve played weak opposition” , “They looked vulnerable at times”, “Kane hasn’t scored yet” , “They were poor against the US”. Unfortunately, the only way this will change is when or if we win something.
     
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  16. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Saka mentioned in his press conference Ben White left the camp for family reasons.
     
  17. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    According to Jose Enrique France and Brazil have been the best teams in the tournament. Bollocks. Statistically we've been the best team. Brazil and France have been pretty shite overall.
     
  18. sharpovic

    sharpovic Member+

    May 20, 2010
    Besides we would focus on our weakness, our relative lack of pace in central defense, and wouldn’t maximize our amazing attacking potential.
     
  19. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Mate, you know you’re just going to attract the trolls when you post stuff like this! ;)
     
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  20. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Maybe when it comes to GD but I think the graph below is a better reflection as it gauges solidity in defence and attacking threat. We've been good, better than many will give us credit for but a few other sides have been better in general play. It generally reflects our chances as well I think. We're going to have be at our very best and get a bit of luck to win the tournament because some sides are just better than us, including the one were playing on Saturday.

     
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  21. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    Its the weak opposition bollocks that annoys me, England have played the 16th,18th,19th and 20th ranked teams in the World Cup.
    I know Fifa World rankings aren't perfect, but its the best gage we have of a teams ability. Two of our games were against teams who perceive us as our one of their biggest rivals, and Iran topped Asian Qualify and Senegal are Afcon Champions.
     
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  22. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Declan Rice has said they one thing he would change about Football is VAR because it is too inconsistent about Red Cards and checking monitors.
     
  23. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021



    Are France are doing this for Mind Games rather than medical necessity.
     
  24. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Dunno. Suffering from some form of extreme psychiatric disoserder, possibly?

    :eek: :giggle:

    Or maybe you're just an England supporter.

    Well, OK. They're pretty much the same thing, aren't they.
     
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  25. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    #3125 Naughtius Maximus, Dec 6, 2022
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    Bookmarked? I've printed it on antique vellum and am having it framed in teak with a brass inlay.

    :giggle:
     
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