Does Tuchel get to stay if England get trucked by France today? Seen reports suggesting both teams will rotate though.
There is no point engaging with 4x4 on any topic. He never engages you on the facts. Just what aboutisms and hyperbole. He has to be one of the most disengenous debaters on this board. It is basically like watching a Trump maga supporter gaslight you.
Nobody has ever provided proof of a decision being made to benefit any team under the intention of helping them. So don't give me this "look at the facts" bullshit because Basically it implies any wrong call on the field is intentional which is an absolutely hysterical way of following the sport. Show me proof of a ref or official blowing the whistle with the intention of helping a team. Until that this is you mixing up "believe" and "know". It's this dumb ass "Varcelona" / "Vardrid" stupidity that gets me. Every call I don't agree with is intentionally called. OK mate, have at it.
Yamal has really not done anything thus far. Most games, i think he is one of Spain's worse players. I assume it is the injury but who knows. DLF most important decision this far has been benching Pedri, the so called great Barca midfielder.
Yamal successfully pinned down the fullback consistently, does all the beneath the surface analytical stuff that coaches love, successful dribbles, carries etc. If you view him from the lense of a goal scoring winger it's not a good wc but whenever he ran at France with the ball their entire defense called the national guard. I think he has brought a lot of value.
The irony is that the guy saying "don't jump from suspicious events to sweeping conclusions" is apparently the one who needs a break, while the people connecting Negreira, AFA finances, FIFA, Messi, Argentina and Barcelona into one all-encompassing theory are considered perfectly measured. There's nothing wrong with questioning refereeing decisions or discussing patterns. The problem starts when every separate controversy is treated as proof of every other controversy. That's confirmation bias, not evidence.
Argentina benfits from more wrong calls. Again, you went off on a tangent like you always do. You never discuss whether a team benefits from something, you immediately switch to intention and the need for basically a written confession. You do not argue specific plays at all. I am not here to argue with your warped mind. I have seen enough of your messed up mind on multiple topics. You come up with a conclusion and reverse engineer your logic based on the result.
Every separate controversy as if it’s not the same governing bodies that are involved in these controversies. But the onus is on the consumer to believe that each incident is separate and they’ve learned their lessons from them (even though they are still on going cases).
You're literally saying the games are manipulated but I'm the one with the warped mind. We've lost our marbles.
That's not what I said. I didn't say the governing bodies are unrelated or that they've "learned their lessons." My point is much simpler: sharing the same institution doesn't mean one controversy becomes evidence for another. Negreira should be judged on the evidence for Negreira. Allegations about AFA should be judged on the evidence for AFA. World Cup refereeing should be judged on the evidence for World Cup refereeing. If the same governing body is involved, that can justify greater scrutiny. It doesn't eliminate the need to prove each claim on its own merits.
AFA allegations are directly tied to Fifa. Fifa has directly been involved in corruption to the point that their president was brought down for it. Just in this tournament, there was political intervention to bypass rules of the game for the benefit of one team. Match fixing has been proven in multiple major leagues in football. So spare me the I’m smarter than everyone narrative; as a consumer, the reputation of football is tarnished because of these governing bodies particularly when nothing has been done to clean up football.
I'll bite, what "same governing bodies" are involved in both the Negreira situation and the AFA money laundering accusations? And you keep insinuating the money laundering accusations might relate to referee decisions at the world cup, but everything I have seen indicates the money laundering accusations relate to embezzlement and tax evasion, but no accusations or reports involving payments to referees.
I don't disagree that FIFA's history justifies greater scrutiny. I've said exactly that. Where we differ is what follows from that. A history of corruption increases suspicion; it doesn't make separate allegations evidentially interchangeable. Otherwise every future allegation involving FIFA would automatically be treated as proven simply because FIFA has been corrupt before. That's not how evidence works.
I never insinuated that, I am clearly saying this: people have the right to believe that results are being manipulated whether it is justified or not because the governing body is corrupt and it is not on them to believe this is fair when nothing has been done to clean up the game. Just read your last sentence… “relates to tax evasion and embezzlement” where Fifa is involved with one federation, but you have people here calling others that question the integrity of the game crazy.
Until Fifa shows that they’ve cleaned up the game, people have every right to question everything that happens and tie it all together, whether justified or not. This is not a legal forum, this is a public court.
That's all I was saying. If people have every right to believe FIFA manipulates results "whether justified or not," then that's their prerogative. But why is someone saying, "Let's judge each allegation on its own evidence," the one who "needs a break"? And "this isn't a legal forum" misses the point. I'm not asking for courtroom standards of proof. I'm saying one controversy doesn't automatically become evidence for another. FIFA's history justifies scrutiny, not treating every allegation as proven. Either we're all free to hold our views, or we're not. Asking for consistency shouldn't be the controversial position.
You’re not going to get consistentcy from fans that are invested in the product. I say this again, it’s on Fifa to win the faith of the fans back, and they have done nothing in this tournament to do so with them continuing to bend over to political pressure.
Yamal completed 2 out of his 10 attempted take on. Lost the ball nearly 20 times from 45 touches which is nearly half. Yamal has been ass who is carried by a successful team.
Fair enough. I agree FIFA has done a poor job of restoring trust. My point wasn't that fans will always be consistent; it was that consistency is still a reasonable standard to aim for. Asking that each allegation be judged on its own merits shouldn't be the position that's treated as unreasonable.
Why would the teams rotate? They're going to vacation after this and acting like a medal is beneath them is hilarious.
At this point, this discussion is exhausted. Let’s at least keep this thread game focused until the game starts. I’ll delete any more posts on this topic, apologies in advance.
Read the message I left on the post I deleted. I’ll also reply in private. We need to move on in this thread.