FIFA World Cup 2022 Qatar - Qualifying

Discussion in 'Bosnia & Herzegovina' started by Young Zmaj, Dec 7, 2020.

  1. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    It's a classical case of a player being better at club level than at the national team, Salihamidzic was also like that back in the day. The point here is that Pjanic has entirely gotten away with being abysmal over the years.
     
  2. Young Zmaj

    Young Zmaj Member

    Juventus
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 7, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    Bosnia-Herzegovina
    Pjanić has not been abysmal for BiH. Has he underperformed? Yes. But he’s had great games and moments and to say he’s been an abysmal player is extreme hyperbole imo.

    Perhaps we expect too much from Pjanić who doesn’t have much talent around him tbh, especially over the last 2-3 years.
     
  3. bosna10

    bosna10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 23, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    Bosnia-Herzegovina
    Yes and no. Being able to make a simple pass(where he couldn't do it on at least 3 occasions that i remember in this game) has nothing to do with not having much talent around him. He absolutely sucked big time in this game and imo is one of the reasons we couldn't get any more chances(he ruined so many of our plays by not being able to do the simple stuff). Everything about him is fairly the same from before..Controls the ball well but always plays so passive and looks like he doesn't eat enough or some shit(weak with passes, weak when someone is trying to steal the ball away, etc)..
     
  4. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    Name me a single game against a top opponent where Pjanic was the difference maker or where his contribution helped us achieve a positive result. I'll wait.
     
  5. BOSNAINTER

    BOSNAINTER Member

    krajina
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Feb 17, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Bosnia-Herzegovina
    it is a team sport. he can't make a diference against lets say 7 players in 30 meter zone he needs other around him to move and be able to be used for 1-2s or through ball
     
  6. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    #206 BIHfan, Mar 31, 2021
    Last edited: Mar 31, 2021
    That's a cheap excuse, he is supposed to be the kind of player that has an impact on the outcome of a game, that's literally his role. We're not talking about a left-back here, we're talking about a player that was hailed as the new big thing some 12 years ago and never lived up to those expectations. Pjanic doesn't need other players to make him look weak and bad, he is doing a fine job at that on his own as shown in yet another pathetic performance against a top team. So again I ask: Name me a single game against a top opponent where Pjanic was the difference maker and where his contribution helped us achieve a positive result. I can find you plenty of games where Dzeko, Misimovic and even less important players like Medunjanin, Visca, Lulic or Salihovic made a big difference. Overhyping weak players and giving them a free pass for years is part of the reason why we are where we are today, a huge part of the reason.
     
  7. TheEuroStick

    TheEuroStick Member+

    Aug 8, 2011
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Bosnia-Herzegovina
    Pjanic never was great, Misimovic carried the NT in playmaking. End of Story
     
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  8. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    #208 BIHfan, Apr 1, 2021
    Last edited: Apr 1, 2021
    The reality is that the decline of this team from a top 15 side in Europe, top of their qualifying group, unbeaten away from home in World Cup 2014 qualifiers to later 3 playoff failures and now going through the longest winless streak in its history very much started after Misimovic retired. After that, we started having embarassing results the likes of which we hadn't had since the early 2000's and the boycott in 2006-2007. It's obviously not the only reason but it does explain a lot. There has never been a playmaker like Misimovic since 2014 and Pjanic utterly failed to take over the role or to even contribute properly to the team as we saw when it mattered against Ireland (2015) and Northern Ireland (2020) in the playoffs. That's besides all those other games where he was seen walking on the pitch, making poor decisions, not delivering proper passes, hitting the wall when taking free kicks etc. Also missing that penalty against Cyprus in the first qualifying game after the World Cup and now more recently against Finland (thank God for that lucky rebound otherwise we would be bottom of the group with 0 points right now..) is totally unforgiveable. I am still waiting for someone to name me a single game against a top opponent where Pjanic was the difference maker and where his contribution helped us achieve a positive result.
     
  9. Sudžuka

    Sudžuka Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Seems Petev earned the players respect, haven’t seen comments like this from players before.

    “Petev je najbolji selektor sa kojim sam radio do sada, a javnost ga je vrlo ružno dočekala i napravila nam dodatne probleme” rekao je Rade Krunić nakon utakmice.

    “Šef je odlično pripremio utakmicu, šteta što nije bio tu sa nama jer bi sa njim imali dodatnu snagu” poručio je Edin Džeko.

    https://reprezentacija.ba/322590-prvi-put-u-historiji-igraci-hvalili-selektora-poslije-utakmice
     
  10. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    This part worries me "a javnost ga je vrlo ružno dočekala i napravila nam dodatne probleme". Since when the way the public welcomes a new coach should have any sort of impact directly on the players?? What kind of "dodatne probleme" is Krunic talking about?
     
  11. Young Zmaj

    Young Zmaj Member

    Juventus
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 7, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    Bosnia-Herzegovina
    You said he’s abysmal, I said that was hyperbole. I agree he underperforms for his level but he’s still the best midfielder we’ve had since Misimović. If you consider that abysmal then we have ti agree to disagree.
     
  12. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    If he is the best midfielder we've had since Misimovic, that tells you about the state of BIH football and it explains why we are where we are today.
     
  13. TheEuroStick

    TheEuroStick Member+

    Aug 8, 2011
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Bosnia-Herzegovina
    Honestly I feel like Izet Hajrovic should replace Pjanic in the midfield. Yes I know he isn't a midfielder but the man played every game with passion and hearth. Ran like a Maniac with the Ball forward. Every time Pjanic got the ball against France he stopped the attack by passing back.
     
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  14. Ronaldinho321

    Ronaldinho321 Member

    Aug 19, 2015
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Man we are at the worst we have ever been wow
     
  15. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    I honestly believe that they totally stopped caring after 2014, so did most fans.
     
  16. bosna10

    bosna10 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 23, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    Bosnia-Herzegovina
    What a strike by Edin..Wow..Anyone watching?
     
  17. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    Za divno cudo they didn't conceed a deflected own goal in the 96th minute or something like they always do in these type of situations. This point will mean nothing without a win against Kazakhstan which already drew twice against Ukraine. When I said this group would be wide open about a year ago, a lot of people made fun of me.
     
  18. BOSNAINTER

    BOSNAINTER Member

    krajina
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Feb 17, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Bosnia-Herzegovina
    this is why dont like our team we always play safe while other risk and that is why we always und up at that dreaded 3rd or 4th place in group not risky enough for 1st or 2nd place and no risk taking enough for last place. just play SAFE. not determind enough for Win and not risky enough for win or loss just safe easy games. we could have won this defence had mbape and their all players in their pocket and nothing to show up. you will always have one extra guy then them
     
  19. BOSNAINTER

    BOSNAINTER Member

    krajina
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Feb 17, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Bosnia-Herzegovina
    i mean i like the team but not mentality when is needed in last 20 minutes. and this game was there too show that grab the game by the balls type of mentality was needed
     
  20. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    The fact is we never beat a team like France even when we have a great chance to do it, the same cannot be said about our neighbors. The fact we had the lead for just 4 minutes really says it all, I'm actually still amazed we didn't lose 3-1 or something or 2-1 thanks to a deflected own goal 2 seconds before the final whistle.
     
  21. thedragon10

    thedragon10 Member

    Oct 15, 2013
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    The biggest positive for me is our defense looks like it can finally be a force over the next 5-10 years. The days of lumbering stiffs like Sunjic, Vranjes and defenders who can't defend like Mujdza and Bicakcic are finally long gone.

    Ahmedhodzic is a beast. Gazibegovic, Dedic and Hadzikadunic... some real potential of having a very strong backline for years to come. The great thing is that out of all of our young players (including guys like Gojak, Demirovic, etc), the young defenders are the only ones playing consistent, first league football, and starting for their clubs. Ahmedhodzic will play in the champions league, while Dedic and Gazibegovic are already Austrian Bundesliga starters for their clubs. Haven't seen too much of Hadzikadunic on a club level, but I believe he starts as well for his Russian club.

    I just hope Demirovic doesn't get ruined at Freiburg, which is looking likely so far this season. And he played great last season after becoming a starter, I don't know what else he could have possibly done to be able to get some minutes this season...
     
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  22. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    For years I've been calling for the likes of Sunjic, Vranjes and yes even Bicakcic to be booted out of the national team and low and behold when none of them play our defense suddenly looks strong for the first time in about 10 years. With that being said, more games are indeed to see if this defense can indeed be trusted long term.
     
  23. Ronaldinho321

    Ronaldinho321 Member

    Aug 19, 2015
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I wonder what starting lineup will the manager go with?
    Dzeko is currently in form with Inter scoring 6 goals in 7 matches. Demirovic has only played 66 minutes this season so far. Looks like he lost his starting place...
    . Prevljak has 4 goals in 10 matches. Krunic is injured and has only played 2 games this season for Milan. Pjanic transferred to a lower league, Edin Visca is still goaless this season. Menalo just recently scored 2 goals and assisted in recent match. Kolasinac is a bench player now for Arsenal.
    It also seems like our young guys havent been playing too good :/
     
  24. TheEuroStick

    TheEuroStick Member+

    Aug 8, 2011
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Bosnia-Herzegovina
    3-1 Win Tomorrow That's a EuroStick Guaranteed.
     
  25. BOSNAINTER

    BOSNAINTER Member

    krajina
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Feb 17, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Bosnia-Herzegovina
    bosna treba da igra sa intensiti, sreca je dio footbala ali ti nece pasti iz vedra neba. kako je kazakhstan pravio svoju srecu u zenici je bilo da nisu sjedili nazad nego su napadali do naseg sesnesterca i ako bog da jedna ce unici i jest dvije. tako bosna treba da igra a ne neka nam sreca i comitment padne sa vedra neba
     

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