FIFA World Cup 2018: Argentina vs. Iceland - June 16 [R]

Discussion in 'Argentina: Selecciones Nacionales' started by locoxriver, Jun 11, 2018.

  1. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Wow, what a Big deal! We beat Germany in last 3 friendly meets , we also beat Brazil last year. I wonder if the Mexican coach has Argentina as no.1 contender because of that? :sleep::whistling:
     
  2. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Last time we faced Germany, we scored 4 , lets see if Mexico can do the same.
     
  3. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    It is not a bad generation of players. We will always have a strong players but the problem is many of the players that would give us more of a balance were either neglected or are not in the starting 11.

    Most of the supposed gringo analyst on TV do not know SHIT about Argentine football, they don't follow our league nor do they even know our lesser famous players. Don't bother listening to them or even read some articles that are being published from the larger websites. If you want to about certain players who play in our league and overseas, you're welcomed here to ask and you'll get a response.
     
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  4. wrecklesssoldier

    Feb 20, 2005
    Question: Why is biglia still being called up for the nt? He has been useless for the majority of his time with the nt. I also remember watching copa america (both the one in chile and usa) and he was hot garbage.
     
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  5. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    La Nacion excellent article on the Biglia "Fracaso". I am merely a football fan but from the moment I saw the alineacion that Biglia-Mashe vs Iceland was a mistake. (Not to mention Rojo....This one sent me flipping). Biglia, in addition to losing the ball for the Iceland goal, in 54 minutes, lost the ball 7 times and didn't have a pass between the lines.....Utterly useless. Not starting Lo Celso (i understand Ever was not at 100%) cost us dearly.

    ¿Biglia y Mascherano juntos contra un equipo que tira pelotazos, achica espacios y bloquea los costados con lateral y extremo? No había posibilidad de que, ante este rival y en este contexto, esta apuesta saliera bien. No hacía falta potenciar a Mascherano contra un rival que prescinde de la pelota.


    Jamás Biglia podía ser ese mediocampista de toque, acompañamiento, gambeta, llegada y finalización. No llena ese formulario y menos frente al muro de Islandia. Durante sus 55 minutos, completó 48 pases correctos sobre 53. Ninguno entre líneas. Apenas 12 en el último tercio de la cancha (Banega tuvo 20 en 40 minutos) Perdió siete veces la pelota, incluido el origen del gol islandés. Varias veces se mostró como alternativa de pase, pero delante de Messi y de espalda al arco rival. Nunca se distinguió por ese tipo de jugada en su carrera. Pisó el área un par de veces y remató dos veces al arco. Demasiado poco para lo que el equipo necesitaba de ese futbolista en ese sector del campo. ¿Podría haber hecho otra cosa, considerando sus recursos y la demanda del seleccionado? Obviamente no. La Argentina regaló más de un tiempo con este defecto de origen, que tampoco le garantizó solidez.

    https://www.lanacion.com.ar/2144773-las-contradicciones-de-un-diseno-tactico-condenado-al-fracaso
     
  6. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #306 Rattlehead, Jun 17, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2018
    Biglia is the most useless player Argentina ever had. He offers nothing other than sideway passing and the worst part of his game is that he does NOT actively moving to find space for himself or make himself a passing option for his teammates.

    I'm amazed that a player like him could even play in a famous European club, let alone in Argentina national team.

    Imma just going to stand there and let Messi figure it out himself...
    [​IMG]
     
  7. Christina99

    Christina99 Member+

    Sep 22, 2013
    Buenos Aires
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I wonder why he gets called so much. And dont give me "he is Messis friend" BS
     
  8. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Perhaps his "good guy" attitude and the fact that he managed to make himself somehow looks decent in every game? remember that he always playing it save, he never tries to run pass defender, never press opponents or committed hard fouls, never make penetrating pass, its always 5 yard sideways passing all day.

    Notice that when our forwards or defenders are having a bad game, the fans, neutrals and journalists will quickly react and making noise. You'll also see the media talking about Lanzini and Meza but Biglia's name is never the mix for whatever reason.
     
  9. Volrath

    Volrath Member

    Jun 28, 2007
    Biglia's importance to Sabella's overall defensive team structure during the world cup 4 years ago can not be underestimated.

    But that was 4 YEARS AGO and Sabella left afterwards rendering him pointless. It boggles my mind that he's still being used in the same way or even at all.
     
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  10. Pekerman

    Pekerman Member+

    May 20, 2006
    Biglia wasn't even in the plans until gago was injured. Am I correct?
     
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  11. Volrath

    Volrath Member

    Jun 28, 2007
    Correct, he won that place during the course of the tournament.
     
  12. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Forty million Argentines are asking the exact same question.
     
  13. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I watched PSG regularly this season and saw Lo Celso growing in stature there match after match. This kid deserves his spot. He was the ideal No 8 Argentina needed yesterday, someone creative, able to help play between the lines and inject some speed in midfield. Opportunity missed.
     
  14. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Sampa decided to play it save and choosed experience over experiment. Including the subs, he played a total of 8 veterans. If Romero wasnt injured, that means 9 veterans. Messi, Aguero, Di Maria, Rojo, Biglia/Banega, Masche. The NT never move on from those guys. Based on form and effectiveness, only Messi and Kun deserve to start.
     
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  15. soul24rage

    soul24rage Member

    Jun 13, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Plus the rest of the world lol
     
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  16. soul24rage

    soul24rage Member

    Jun 13, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    This is the thing that confuses me. What good does experience help when you can't even perform or help the team when you have other players who have less experience but you know that they can deliver what the other "experienced" players can't
     
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  17. Siempre_Albiceleste

    May 31, 2006
    NY
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Thank you. Yes, Biglia should not be on this team anymore, but of course we have to come over the top with saying that he's always been useless. He proved himself quite useful 4 years ago on a team that had a set system and was actually defensively disciplined.
     
  18. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Look at the joy on Messi's face, looks like he is coming home to see his new puppy.

    :D
    [​IMG]
     
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  19. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I occasionally surf AFA facebook page, there are lots of training photos and many of them are pics of Messi and Biglia having a good time together.
     
  20. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sorry but a guy who has cost me multiple trophies wouldn't be a friend, or at least not close enough that I'd have to have him on my team, lol.
     
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  21. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I remember from his days in Argentina that he has skill playing the ball. How is he at PSG in terms of defense, marking and recovery?
     
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  22. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    What’s the context? If they are celebrating a goal, it’s misleading.
     
  23. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    The context is Messi saying "see, I told you I'd get the new coach to start you"
     
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  24. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I remember when back in 2006 when Messi was asked to pick an all time best Argentines to play with.. and his answer was funny because its mostly his 2005 youth teammates lol

    He also rate most of his Barca teammates among the best in history. So you could tell, friendship means ALOT to him.
     
  25. Pekerman

    Pekerman Member+

    May 20, 2006
    Yea Messi is overly nice to his friends even if it is at his own expense. I feel like on a subconscious level he is more concerned about his friends happiness and not letting people down than actually winning for himself. This is one area where Ronaldo's ego can be a positive because Ronaldo only plays for his own glory and would never take blame for a failure the way messi did.

    If I were Messi I would refuse to play unless Biglia and Di Maria take the next flight back home.
     
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