FIFA World Cup 2010...CAF Stage 2 (First group stage)

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  1. Bread Bin

    Bread Bin New Member

    Aug 18, 2008
    For me Burkina Faso and Tunisia
     
  2. scaryice

    scaryice Member

    Jan 25, 2001
    Both teams there are gonna advance regardless, so for me it's not as exciting as some of the other groups.
     
  3. jus2nang

    jus2nang Member

    Dec 12, 2005
    North London
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    Not necessarily. If Burkina can beat Tunisia and Burundi can get a result against the Seychelles, then that leaves Tunisia in 2nd spot with only 6 points against "non-bottom teams". They'll be sweating, just a little.
     
  4. vancity eagle

    vancity eagle Member+

    Apr 6, 2006
    Libya 1-0 Ghana
    Algeria 3-1 Senegal
     
  5. scaryice

    scaryice Member

    Jan 25, 2001
    FT - Algeria 3:2 Senegal

    If Gambia wins by 3 goals vs Liberia, then all they have to do is draw @ Senegal next month and Senegal will be out. :eek:
     
  6. Bread Bin

    Bread Bin New Member

    Aug 18, 2008
    Libya 1-0 Ghana
    Algeria 3-2 Senegal
    Djibouti 0-3 Malawi
     
  7. midknight

    midknight New Member

    Sep 5, 2005
    Paris
    seems like south africa lost at home to an already qualified nigeria. If sierra leone beats equatorial guinea in 3 hours, South Africa are all but out of the CAN
     
  8. JLSA

    JLSA Member

    Nov 11, 2003
    They'll actually be all out. They wouldn't be able to make the top 8 runners-up regardless of results.

    J
     
  9. amirbachar

    amirbachar Member

    Nov 22, 2007
    If sierra leone and equatorial guinea are drawn, south africa's only hope would be to make a draw in the last match against equatorial guinea and not to beat them, because if they do, siera leone will be 3rd and south africa won't be one of the best 8 RUs.

    That would be quite wierd.
     
  10. amirbachar

    amirbachar Member

    Nov 22, 2007
    I think it would have been better to qualify 2 teams from each group + the best 3 ranked team, making the last stage 5 groups of 5.
     
  11. midknight

    midknight New Member

    Sep 5, 2005
    Paris
    well i was allowing for the offhand possibility that both uganda and angola lose both of their last two matches. I guess i forget to do the double points thing for Togo's group
     
  12. vancity eagle

    vancity eagle Member+

    Apr 6, 2006
    apparently the Nigeria victory was completely against the run of play with SA missing like 7 sitters !!!!
     
  13. amirbachar

    amirbachar Member

    Nov 22, 2007
    The doubling thing is just for the seeding.
    To determine the best 8 RUs only the matches against the 1st and the 3rd counts.
     
  14. dethwing

    dethwing New Member

    Jul 4, 2008
    I would say a better way would have been to have a few more opening round series to reduce to 40. Then you can have 10 groups of 4 and just have all the top 2 teams advance.
     
  15. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Houston Dynamo, Penang FC, Al Duhail
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So South Africa are out! LOL

    Hopefully, this is the wake up call the SA football association needs to get their $#*! together or else they'll be making history as the first host nation to go out in the first round.
     
  16. amirbachar

    amirbachar Member

    Nov 22, 2007
    They won't get more than 1 point either way. They are just not good enough for this level.
     
  17. Bread Bin

    Bread Bin New Member

    Aug 18, 2008
    Mauritius 1-4 Tanzania
    Cape Verde 1-2 Cameroon
    Kenya 1-0 Namibia
    South Africa 0-1 Nigeria
    Sierra Leone 2-1 Equatorial Guinea
    Gambia 3-0 Liberia
    Mauritania 0-1 Rwanda
    Seychelles 1-2 Burundi
    Burkina Faso 0-0 Tunisia
    Sudan 1-2 Chad
     
  18. vancity eagle

    vancity eagle Member+

    Apr 6, 2006
    people said the same thing about Korea and Japan. If they get a favorable draw, they may still be able to make the knockout stages. Believe it or not they have much more trouble playing African sides , than teams outside of their continent.
     
  19. Bread Bin

    Bread Bin New Member

    Aug 18, 2008
    Zimbabwe 0-0 Guinea
    Benin 3-2 Angola
    Niger 3-1 Uganda
    Lesotho 0-3 Gabon
    Madagascar 1-0 Botswana
    Mozambique 1-1 Cote d'Ivoire
    Congo 1-0 Mali
    Congo DR 0-1 Egypt


    TEAMS IN FINAL STAGE

    Cameroon
    Benin
    Nigeria
    Burkina Faso Tunisia
    Egypt


    TEAMS STILL IN

    Cape Verde
    Kenya
    Guinea
    Zimbabwe
    Angola
    Uganda
    Sierra Leone
    Libya
    Gabon
    Ghana
    Algeria
    Gambia
    Senegal
    Cote d'Ivoire
    Madagascar
    Mozambique
    Rwanda
    Morocco
    Ethiopia
    Mali
    Congo
    Chad
    Sudan
    Sqaziland
    Zambia
    Togo
    Congo DR
    Malawi


    ELIMINATED TEAMS

    Tanzania
    Mauritius
    Namibia
    Niger
    South Africa (just from ACN)
    Equatorial Guinea
    Lesotho
    Liberia
    Botswana
    Mauritania
    Burundi
    Seychelles
    Djibouti
     
  20. JLSA

    JLSA Member

    Nov 11, 2003
    Do you have a source. I am not sure about the two shown. BFA and TUN could both end up 2nd and with 7 runner-up points and that could (if they had a very bad goal difference in the last match) leave them 9th on the 2nd place rankings as only groups 1, 5 and 11 are certain to have their 2nd place team finish with fewer than 7 points.

    Botswana would still be if they weren't behind Mozambique on goal difference. If they were ahead of MOZ on GD they would have needed to draw (not win) and hope CIV won their last match to have any hope.

    J
     
  21. midknight

    midknight New Member

    Sep 5, 2005
    Paris
    I think you can count Zimbabwe out. The only way they can grab second spot is by beating Namibia into the 4th spot. If Namibia finishes last however they can only be credited 3 points (3 ties against non zimbabwean opponents).

    There are only 4 other groups where teams can come second with 3 second placed points - Group 5 (Gabon), Group 7 (Ivory Coast or Madagascar), Group 10 (Chad) Group 8 (Ethiopia or Morrocco), However, in all of these scenarios, the team would have to lose its remainng matches* (exception made of Madagascar who would need a draw) AND rely on a combination of lucky results to get into second spot with only 3 second place points.

    Zimbabwe would then have to hope that ALL of the 4 teams from the groups mentioned finish with negative goal differences (against non 4th placed opposition).

    this is already the case of Gabon, Madagascar, Chad and Ethiopia, but is very unlikely to occur with either Ivory Coast or Morocco (who it must be said will probably win their groups anyhow)

    I really wouldn't bet against odds like those...

    but then again, stranger things have happened
     
  22. Bread Bin

    Bread Bin New Member

    Aug 18, 2008
    Sorry my only source was wikipedia so may be errors.
     
  23. JLSA

    JLSA Member

    Nov 11, 2003
    Pretty much (everything else in this post was spot on BTW).

    I have a little "monte carlo" simulator to see the odds of teams progressing - it simulates results based on FIFA ranks (and the typical results achieved based on FIFA ranks across the past decade). As of now the following are the chances of teams progressing to the next stage (simulation run 25,000 times).

    Code:
    Benin                               Q
    Cameroon                            Q
    Egypt                               Q
    Nigeria                             Q
    Burkina Faso                   100.0%
    Tunisia                        100.0%
    Kenya                           99.9%
    Côte d’Ivoire                   99.7%
    Morocco                         96.9%
    Mali                            95.3%
    Algeria                         95.1%
    Rwanda                          94.1%
    Ghana                           87.7%
    Congo                           77.0%
    Togo                            72.2%
    Senegal                         65.6%
    Guinea                          64.4%
    Zambia                          60.9%
    Gabon                           54.3%
    Libya                           52.7%
    Congo DR                        46.6%
    Cape Verde Islands              37.1%
    Swaziland                       34.5%
    Gambia                          32.6%
    Malawi                          31.7%
    Angola                          23.6%
    Mozambique                      21.2%
    Uganda                          12.1%
    Sudan                           11.9%
    Sierra Leone                    11.3%
    Chad                             8.7%
    Ethiopia                         6.8%
    Madagascar                       6.1%
    Zimbabwe                         0.0%
    Burundi                             E
    Botswana                            E
    Djibouti                            E
    Equatorial Guinea                   E
    Liberia                             E
    Lesotho                             E
    Mauritius                           E
    Mauritania                          E
    Namibia                             E
    Niger                               E
    Seychelles                          E
    South Africa                        E
    Tanzania                            E
    
    At least as far down as Ghana any team that wins their last match will go through, and a few only need a draw. Tunisia and Burkina Faso would need a ridiculous combination of results to miss out (and in neither case did any of the 25,000 simulations have the necessary results occur - while in Zimbabwe's case 11 simulations saw them advance).

    J
     
  24. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's nice that it works out that the number of teams with better than a 50% chance of advancing equals the number of teams that will advance. That isn't always the case in sports.
     
  25. Pit-182

    Pit-182 New Member

    Jun 9, 2008
    Modena, Italy
    Togo is in trouble after a bad game against Zambia.
     

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