They want to test it at the youth level first. Sin-bin is the name. Soccer is the game. I hope I didn't confuss things calling it a penalty box. I'm not sure I like this idea but then I'm a purist, though introducing the cards was a good thing when that happened. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/2003/02/25/int_rdp/
If used on the international stage, if will change the game in many ways, maybe for the better, maybe for worse. Stamina is more important in soccer than hockey. I could imaging a striker fouls another player so he can take a breather on the bench while his team goes into defensive mode. He’ll come on fresh after 10 minutes. They should make the person run around while in the sin-bin, that’ll make it even and fun.
It's been used in rugby union and rugby league for years - works well there (that's where the term "sin bin" comes from too [and they also have a "blood bin"]).
LOL.. that would be a likely use for the box. A place to rest.. Maybe they could put really attractive women in the box with them since it's called the sin-bin.. I guess that idea won't fly but it would help the ratings on ESPN.
I don't think this is a good idea....it would not be a good addition to the game, would take away from the flow and would just be generally confusing....if you, as a player, lose track of time..then the guy could come back in and just run in at an advantage and you might not know he's there...also even if the guy had to enter at a stoppage, it would change the flow such as a substitution might....it said something about an official timekeeper, which might not be a bad idea.... -PB20
but unliked hockey, it would be so easily for a team to kill off the penalty clock. Two to five minutes of short-handed time does nothing for the team with the extra player in a soccer game. It would just mean 2 to 5 minutes of bunker defense or holding the ball in the corner flag at the opposite end. It would depend how long penalty minutes would be.... then, even if it is 10 minutes,it would be any advantage. And any time longer would be more boring game. Years ago, Pele made similiar suggestions. I thought that he was dumb.
They use it in some of the leagues that I've played in, especially indoor soccer. However, usually it is the penalty imposed for a yellow card. If that is the case, I don't think a player would purposely foul for a ten minute break.
Why most we, soccer fans, always over-react to any possible change in the rules. If a player had to take a five minute break for every yellow card he received I hardly see it as a world changing event. It is, at best, a very minor change in the rules.
This doesn't seem too bad. There are a few other changes I wouldn't mind FIFA experimenting with. If other sports can tweak the rules to better the game, then why can't soccer do the same? -VON
The sin bin (aka penalty box) apparently would be used for infractions greater than a yellow card but less than a red card. So, I can't imagine anyone committing a "sin bin" foul just to get a rest. Also, a player could only go into the "sin bin" once as the second infraction would result in a second yellow card. I don't know how long a player would have to sit, but I imagine that at least five minutes. There are some technical issues, ie what to do about stoppage time for injuries that occur while a player is in the "sin bin". I can't say that I hate the idea or thrilled with it. I'll take a wait-and-see approach pending on how well it works at the youth level if it is tried out.
Alright, I think you've found a new job for Veronica Paysee. Seriously, 11 on 10 in soccer is not nearly as big an advantage as 5 on 4 in hockey.
I disagree Big. IMO this is a major rule change fundamentally changing the character of the game. I personally like the fact that rules are changed very infrequently (versus NBA and NFL rules changing every off-season). I played during the only two allowed substitutions, my father played with none at all, and I live in fear of situational substitutions someday being enacted. What is the proposed box trying to solve? This ambiguous “harsher than a yellow, but less than a red” is a fine grading of fouls that I’m not comfortable with – we have a hard enough time understanding why some fouls are yellow in some games, and red in others, and sometimes never called at all. FIFA would be better served clarifying, strengthening and enforcing existing laws vis-à-vis yellow and red card infractions (like giving automatic yellows for shirt pulling). Stricter enforcement of existing laws and the players will get the point, thereby opening up play. This new box thing will lead to more professional fouls in my opinion.
They're just giving it a little trial run at the youth level, correct? It's not like they've just announced Germany '06 will be played with penalty boxes, extra wide goals, and no offsides. If they play it and find it's not good for the game, then it's out the window. If it works well then maybe it gets a wider trial and it goes from there. This isn't a world changing event.
This is no a minor change. The game will become boring... have you seen those boring matches when one team put up a bunker defense? If this "sin bin" puts into effective, we will see additional of 10 to 20 minutes of extremely boring matches in any given game.
Burnley tops Fulham, with one man off, 3-0. Fulham has nearly a full half with a man advantage, and shows nothing for it. This is not unusual in football. A Sin Bin is not a bad idea for being just a bad idea, it is a bad idea because in Soccer it will not have the desired result of giving an advantage to the side the doesn't foul. In fact, many times it is an advantge to the short handed side because with one less player they will open up if down a goal or fall back and defend, if ahead. In Rugby, as well as Hockey, the object is to give an advantage to the side the doesn't foul. That is what the PK is in soccer. Expand the penalty zone if that is what is needed, but I don't think that is a good idea either. How about refs that call for the PK on any legitmate infraction, always giving the benefit of the doubt to the offensive player? In fact, how about the same rule on Offsides? Oh, what's that you say? That is what it is now? Oh, really.
Tis notion of a sin bin was actually tried in the Spring of 1978 at an international Youth Tournament, U-21 I think. The United States sent a team. It didn't have a real impact on the games according to Football Magazine. They tried a few other rule changes at that tournament, including a kick-in instead of a throw in. The kick-in rule was well recieved by observers.
Exactly. This why I only play on a team with ten players. Very few teams have got on to how advantageous it is to play with less players. But, it will be something to watch out for in the future when teams start getting whiff of this brilliant idea.
Bad idea. Not world changing, but bad. FIFA needs to realize that the rules of the game as they are now work, and should quit trying to mess with them. Name one single rule in soccer that needs to be changed. You can't, because there are none. Yes, officials need to enforce rules according to the guidelines, but out and out changing is not necessary. Sin-bin is silly because if it does work for "worse then yellow, but not a red" where is the logic. If you commit a sin-bin foul, do you get a card? No, you go to a box. But you've got players who've done less (yellow) and now have to be cautious to avoid the red (second yellow) while a player who committed a more severe foul still has two yellows to burn. Defensive hackers might love this. As a player, how do you swallow the fact that one guy commited a worse foul but you've got the yellow card (which do add up leading to suspensions). One guy could get five yellows and miss a game, while another could go to the sin-bin five games in a row and only miss those ten minute periods. Yeah, they will probably work some kind of accumulative penalty out later on, but this things need to be thought of before it is even tested. If ever implemented, Sin-bin should be sponsored by Coke II.
Well, Nimrod, I am quite sure if Burnley could have had you on the pitch v Fullham, getting them back to full strength, then they may have indeed ended up losing that game. The point is still the same. In football, being a man down is not the same as being a man down in hockey, or Rugby, I suppose. Unless you have some facts to the contrary, and I sure would like to see them.
That wasn't very nice of you to call me a name. No, I have no data at all that shows being a man down is the same as rugby or hockey. But, l didn't imply that it is advantageous to be a man down as you did. I'm under the impression that playing a team with a man down would be to our own advantage, unless, of course, you might have data that proves otherwise.
I agree that at the youth level this might be a feastible idea, but there really is not that much fouling that is more or less intentional in youth soccer. Usually it is just an accident. If the sin bin would be between a yellow and a red card, would it be the referee's decision if a fould was a red or sin bin foul? Adding more judgement calls for a referee to make is not the best idea. I doubt that this will ever be implemented but just make sure that the MLS headquarters doesn't get wind of this as they might ask FIFA if they could be the test league. I respect the fact that MLS has dropped the shootout and clock running down but don't give them any ideas.