Fifa officials to be extradited to the United States on corruption charges.

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  1. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    We need to give control to machines. Humans are far too corruptible.

    Here's to waiting for the time when machines are programmed by machines that were programmed by machines!
     
  2. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
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    CD Colo Colo
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    Chile
    If they happen to put them in FIFA's headquarters, in no time they'll catch up, and get corrupt as well.....
    :p
     
  3. owian

    owian Member+

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    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
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    OHHH GOD NO. Why Why do they want to F*** with a good thing. The World Cup at 32 is absolutely perfect. Big enough that you get all the big powers and some minnows but small enough to fit it all in a long month. And then it goes perfectly from 32 to 16 to the final. I mean they got it right for once.

    I actually think the Euro's should go to 32 (assuming they aren't going back to 16 which they won't) because it breaks down so perfectly with no need for weird 3rd place tie breakers and usually you have to win at least one match to advance.

    Now if they really want to include more teams and spread the wealth have a 2nd tournament in the break between the end of the euro season and the start of the world cup. Invite the next best 32 teams based on qualification. Winner get's an Automatic W.C. Birth for the next tournament, or if you wanted to be really nuts let them in that year's tournament.

    To keep the tournament short have it straight knockout with the R32 being 2 legged home and away. With the R16 to the final being in one country (hell there are some CITIES that could host it) and single elimination.

    YES I know it's a stupid idea, but still smarter than 48 teams and gives FIFA plenty of chances to fleece money without f*** up the W.C.
     
  4. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
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    How about 16 automatic seeds (e.g.,Euro group winners ,Top 4 CONMEBOL) and 32 qualifiers who face off home and home?
     
  5. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
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    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    The other option is to have a short intercontinental qualifying tournament for the last few spots in the World Cup, perhaps during the November FIFA dates that are currently being used for intercontinental playoffs. It can be kept within that 1-week window by breaking it into 4-team round-robin groups (3 matches) or 8-team straight knockout pods (3 matches), with the winner of each qualifying for the World Cup.
     
  6. Scotty

    Scotty Member+

    Dec 15, 1999
    Toscana
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  7. gunnerfan7

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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
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    They've got so many people, so much money, and they play in a region that's maybe as tough as CONCACAF. Can't e just wait for them to get their sh*t together? It shouldn't be that hard...
     
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  8. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
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    You saw how long it took us right?
     
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  9. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    To get India they need to expand the World Cup finals to 96 teams.
     
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  10. FlipsLikeAPancake

    Jul 6, 2010
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    I honestly don't think India would qualify even if there were 96 teams.
     
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  11. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
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    Then we need to allocate 45 of those 96 spots to Asia.
     
  12. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
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    #1387 Rickdog, Oct 10, 2016
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2016
    Would be lots easier, without even expanding the current number of the WC, for FIFA to grant both India and China, special player eligibility rules, (just for them, and no one else), so they can have up to 11 brazilians to re-inforce their teams.

    Other options could be to force their opponents to play with both legs tied up, and if that is not enough also have them, blindfolded, just in case.......

    :p
     
  13. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Jul 22, 2012
    Santa Cruz, California
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    United States
    Soccer, like most sports, can be jumpstarted top-down. Look at what happened when China invested resources in its Olympic programs, or when Austrailia invested in its Swimming program. Giving people and organizations (e.g the Super League, or the Chinese Football Association) lots of money is very effective up to a certain point. The problem we had is that nobody was going to pony up the millions of dollars required to help us get to a WC (pay the players a wage for playing for the NT, and create a domestic league that helps create domestic professional soccer players). We had to wait till we'd already qualified with largely amateur players.

    I'm not saying that China, investing "x" million dollars, would become Brazil, but the bar here is low enough that if they spent "x" million dollars on their soccer programs, they could qualify for the WC pretty soon. I don't know if they qualify this cycle, next, or the one after that, but soon.
     
  14. Editor In Chimp

    Editor In Chimp Member+

    Sep 7, 2008
    China should just get an auto-spot if the alternative is a 48 team field.
     
  15. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Houston Dynamo, Penang FC, Al Duhail
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
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    United States
    Knowing China and India - they'd still blow it

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  16. Southern Man

    Southern Man Member

    Jun 14, 2008
  17. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
  18. COMtnGuy

    COMtnGuy Member+

    Apr 5, 2012
    Higher than you
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    Yep, it would seem FIFA has already returned to their brown bags. Nothing will ever stop them its a way of life for most of the world.
     
  19. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
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    I think the Superclubs are significantly less corrupt. They operate in first world countries that require some degree of transparency. Most (not all) fifa corruption results from third-world countries.
     
  20. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
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    #1395 Rickdog, Dec 27, 2016
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    Corruption comes along with the money. The more money gets involved, the morre corruptable issues may appear.
    The fact they might be subject to more control, at a local level, forces them to do their shit at other places, where it is more dificult to control them, and in many cases, allows them to work and do them, undetetected. It's not something they aren't aware of, reasons why when corrupt scandals get to be known, it usually happens beyond their local level.

    At FIFA, no one is really free of guilt here, and it happens at all levels the same (first, second, third world, you name it). Fact most of those who've been lately caught, happen to be from the third world, is because those were the ones subject to investigation by the FBI, but remember and don't forget that the one whom shouted it all out, was the "bearded fatso" with a department at Trump Tower for his cats, who happens to be a citizen from the USA (what world level would that be ?....), and he only did so, to avoid the pains from hell that were coming to him, once he was caught at home. If he wouldn't have been caught, nothing of all the crap that has happened after, would have ever happened (oh yes, and Blatter would probably still be the president of FIFA at present times, with Platini as his strongest detractor, as well).

    Oh, and btw, refered to some of those "superclubs", it has happened that they are the ones whom have been found guilty in hiring young talented kids from foreign countries for undisclosed amounts of money, which has meant them fines and severe sanctions due to it, not smaller clubs from elsewhere (also keep that in mind).
     
  21. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    United States
    Corruption is most rampant in states and governments that lack strong legal systems, or third world countries, and the individuals that come from those countries. There's nothing more interesting to add.
     
  22. swedust

    swedust Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    And when he says this, he isn't telling a lie. He is casting a mind control spell -- look at his hands: classic spell casting form.

    As for corruption & 1st v. 3rd world: the relevant question isn't where it takes place, but who takes advantage of it.

    Whatever. 2017 is a whole new year!
     
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  23. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
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    CD Colo Colo
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    #1398 Rickdog, Dec 28, 2016
    Last edited: Dec 28, 2016
    On the contrary, corruption is lots more patent in countries that have strong legal systems, as only in those countries, it is perfectly clear and written in the law what is right and what is wrong.

    Countries without a strong legal systems, there is no need to be corrupt to get things going, as there might probably be no laws regarding it. And if there are, but they are weak, leaves lots of space where to evolve for whom wants to do things the wrong way. It is also, preciselly in these countries where rich people from the countries with the strong legal systems, usually keep most of all the money they make through corruption, and only take it back with them after it is "cleaned".
     
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  24. Scotty

    Scotty Member+

    Dec 15, 1999
    Toscana
    #1399 Scotty, Dec 28, 2016
    Last edited: Dec 28, 2016
    World Cup: FIFA's Infantino says he has support for 48-team tournament
    http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/38449674
     
  25. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    United States
    The law is typically clearly written in both first and third world countries. But enforcement is uneven in the latter.

    Strong legal systems, by definition, enforce criminal and civil laws against corruption and fraud. Countries without strong legal systems do not.
     
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