FIFA International Match Calendar: Proposed Changes & General Discussion

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by Nico Limmat, Oct 29, 2019.

  1. italiancbr

    italiancbr Member

    Apr 15, 2007
    They might need to include Copa Intermedio.
     
  2. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Yep, the latter. Gotta celebrate the 100-yr anniversary of the FIFA world championship or whatever it was called back then. Maybe invite four teams, two groups of 7, top six advance.:rolleyes:
     
  3. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Maybe managers can tinker with the bottom half of the squad but the main guys are going to get called every tournament. And its these guys that play most of the minutes too.

    It's not like Spain isn't going to call up Pedri for the Euros because he had a grueling season. Not only that, but they called him up for the Olympics too! And barring injury, you can bet your house that he'll get called up for the Nations League final 4 tournament this Fall too.

    And it has to be this way. Without the top players getting called up for every tournament, int'l football would become pointless.
     
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  4. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
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    The issue is not if those players get called up every tournament, The issue is if a manager is going to put too much pressure on them to play way too many minutes until they fall apart as people around here naively think will happen.
    Good managers know what their players can take and how much they can do. They are not going to overuse them.
    And in the case of Colombia they did not even call up James Rodriguez for example. Same with Chile and Sanchez.
     
  5. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Alexis Sanchez was injured. Now he's being rushed back from injury to play in the knockout stage.
     
  6. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
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    James was injured too.
    But both James and Sanchez wanted to play the Group stage.
     
  7. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Ok, but these are not examples of a manager rotating the squad from one tournament to the next so that his players can remain fresh. They weren't called because they were injured (at least at the time of the initial call up)
     
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  8. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    The James example is an example of keeping him fresh. He wanted to play and the coach left him off the sqaud.

    Sanchez wanted to play in the Group stage but his manager said no.

    The point is a good manager is not going to make his players lose his legs just for a tournament like this. They have the bigger picture in mind usually.
     
  9. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    The thing is, neither Alexis nor James has played much football the past 2-3 years. They can't be "losing their legs".

    I think you need to find better examples. :)
     
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  10. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

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    Sep 4, 2010
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    Nah.

    It was not because of the tournaments James lost his legs or being over worked by Colombia's managers.
     
  11. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    I'm not saying it was. Just pointing-out that Alexis was riding the Man Utd bench for 2-3 years so its just a bad example to use in a discussion about over-worked players.

    NT managers pick their squad based on the current form of players and how they think they will effect the chemistry of the national team. They couldn't give two shits if they run a player into the ground as long as the player can still perform at 100% for the next 6 or 7 games. Because being a NT manager is generally a short-term job. Its all about the next tournament for them.
     
  12. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
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    GOOD National Team managers know that there is a 4 year cycle they have to take into account. The main tournament is at the end of the cycle called the World Cup.
    They usually have a good pulse on their players and their needs and their health. They are not going to run players into the ground in a tournament like this (Copa America) if they know there are more important qualifiers and hopefully a World Cup to play in at the end of the cycle.

    IT is all about balance and keeping things going with high maintenance over a 4 year window.
     
  13. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Memo To Concacaf: Stop Holding The Gold Cup Every Two Years
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/ianqui...the-gold-cup-every-two-years/?sh=62d258083c70

    With the biennial nations league surely Concacaf can start weaning themselves off a biennial Gold Cup? I know the 2023 edition is basically set but perhaps thereafter? If Concacaf switches to a quadrennial frequency then that would really pile on the pressure for CAF to do the same.

     
  14. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    'That's what the fans want' - Wenger backs World Cup every two years
    https://www.goal.com/en-cm/news/wenger-backs-world-cup-every-two-years/1xo6l0rdyioew1868j163gbhue
    I'm with Wenger on lessening the number of international breaks (that could then last longer) but I really don't see how a biennial World Cup can fit properly into this FIFA calendar feasibility study he is doing.
     
  15. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

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    Not likely .
     
  16. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

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    I kinda agree with Wenger. It is what many fans want. Especially a market like the USA that they can tap into for more cash. Most people in the USA still do not care about soccer UNLESS it is a World Cup. Then (almost) everyone gets into it.

    As for fitting it in properly where there is a will there is a way.
     
  17. Every Four Years

    May 16, 2015
    Miramar, Florida
    Nat'l Team:
    India
     
  18. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
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    FC Barcelona
    If wonder if Wenger would still have that opinion if he was still coaching at Arsenal... or at any club (?)
     
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  19. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Depends.
    Double the World Cup exposure would give Double the chances for players to get scouted on the biggest stage. Would be valuable for selling to bigger Clubs like Madrid and such.
    Arsenal would cash in.
     
  20. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
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    Orlando City SC
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    United States
    #170 Paul Calixte, Jul 8, 2021
    Last edited: Jul 8, 2021
    Nope - if anything, the Nations League is the actual "football first" competition ('cause with the few marquee games you get in League A, at best the tourney breaks even), while the Gold Cup pays the bills. As far as Montagliani and co. are concerned, it's more important that the Gold Cup be profitable than prestigious, and we still have yet to hear any significant gripes from the major parties involved about it staying biennial.

    I mean, look at this year's edition: it's the so-called B-team Gold Cup (not for the lack of Confed Cup berth - RIP - but b/c teams still involved in WCQ typically don't go all-in), and Concacaf sold out the Final within hours :eek:

    ...or Arsenal qualify for the expanded CWC, to participate and cash in.
     
  21. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
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    Expanded Club World Cup and Two World Cups would be lots of cashing.
     
  22. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
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    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In a vacuum, true.

    In a world with the IOC and UEFA?

     
  23. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
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    The way it can happen is a "Winter" World Cup during the years of the Summer Olympics.

    Of course, it would take a heck of a lot of logistical changes to Club competitions and Qualifying schedules which would be a headache but as I said where there is a will there is a way.
     
  24. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ok, now I have to share one of my favorite football stories: the moment we realized that the biennial Gold Cup was here to stay.

    In the late oughts, Jack Warner and Chuck Blazer were perfecting the formula for the Gold Cup: switching to 4-team groups, resorting to doubleheaders to cut down on organizational costs and low attendance figures, and discontinuing the costly invites to Conmebol sides (i.e. Nicolás Leoz wanting to wet his beak). This was pretty much bound to work in 2007, with everyone gunning for the Confederations Cup berth; but 2009 would be the real test of whether the market would put up with this.

    And lo and behold, they managed to sell out the first day of pro sports in JerryWorld in Dallas, with 80,000+ in attendance for the feature match between Mexico's B-team vs. Haiti :ROFLMAO:

    Once Concacaf realized that they could make bank on 11 randos in Mexico jerseys against literally anyone, the debate was over.
     
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  25. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
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    And Univision and FOX Sports keep on ponying up the cash for these Gold Cups as well.
     
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