FIFA International Match Calendar: Proposed Changes & General Discussion

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by Nico Limmat, Oct 29, 2019.

  1. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I counted 78 if they make the domestic cup, continental and CWC finals.
     
  2. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    And of course the FIFA Intercontinental Cup is still on in CWC years, so another three matches if that final is also reached. Did you use the reduced number of state championship matches?
     
  3. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I used the number of state matches they played this season.
     
  4. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Botafogo RJ doesn't seem as strong this year as 2024 so them making all these finals (domestic cup, club WC, mickey mouse CWC) seems pretty far away atm. But yeah, 70-72 matches is still insane.
     
  5. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No problem? You seem to forget Spain seething to this day that Gibraltar were let in.

    The better way to understand it is with a counterfactual: if Europe had two confederations - say, West and East - do you really think there'd be the political will to unite?
     
  6. Yes.
    It's the football equivalent of the EU.
    Edit: bigger is more powerfull.
     
  7. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The history of the Catholic and Orthodox churches says otherwise ;)

    More to the point: this would mean England, France and Spain going from calling all the shots in western European football to letting the Balkans tell them what to do...
     
  8. England, France and Spain wouldnot be calling the shots in a western UEFA.
    England, France and Spain would be outnumbered by the rest, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal, Italy, Switzerland, Scandinavian countries etc.
     
  9. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Then our comparion breaks down, 'cause in Conmebol, Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay boss the Andean nations around with impunity. Mainly because said impunity is then graciously extended to their corrupt Federation heads o_O
     
  10. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1585 Paul Berry, Jun 17, 2025
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2025
    For those who don't get the context, Gibraltar is a rock off the south coast of Spain which historically and symbolically controls access to the Mediterranean. The ancient Greeks claimed it was created by Hercules.

    Spain is adamant that it's part of Spain but the UK, like with Northern Ireland and the Falklands has said its up to the people that live there.

    In a 2022 referendum 187 people voted for unification with Spain. 17,900 said "no way José"!
     
  11. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    And in more recent developments, the EU/Spain now control Gibraltar’s borders and enforce Schengen rules on Brits arriving who are not Gibraltar residents. :D
     
  12. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    I didn’t want to ask on the CWC thread, but how are Concacaf fans navigating between Gold Cup and CWC taking place at the same time? I’m aware of the East/West geographical split but is the CWC overshadowing the Gold Cup in terms of overall presence?
     
  13. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Last night I watched Guatemala-Jamaica and looked up YouTube highlights for the CWC. Tonight I'll probably watch the late CWC match because nothing beats the Rose Bowl at sunset, and then I can catch the 2nd half of the Canada match. Work is the main obstacle to watching a whole lot.
     
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  14. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    I don't know about CONCACAF fans, but as a neutral follower from across the Pacific I've found the CWC games to be more entertaining than the Gold Cup games so far.
     
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  15. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    How about media coverage? Traditional and otherwise? Is the focus on the CWC instead?
     
  16. Athlone

    Athlone Member+

    Feb 2, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    Completely ignoring the CWC here. I'm more heavily biased toward international football than most fans though.

    I dont get the impression that the CWC is overshadowing the Gold Cup much, though, if at all. If anything, the CWC is having to work to get some recognition/traction among fans who don't know much about it. Even with smaller nations playing, the Gold Cup has some inherent pull. For example: Guatemala's well earned whooping of my side last night was played in LA, and naturally drew a huge Guatemalan crowd - incredible atmosphere that I don't think the CWC will be able to match for the most part. This will be repeated quite often throughout the Gold Cup.
     
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  17. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not the best observer of media coverage, but it seems like you could watch a lot of mainstream US sports media without noticing either tournament is going on. Probably the thing that breaks through the most is hot take commentary on the USMNT. For example on the front page of the ESPN website, you have to scroll through college baseball, NFL offseason, Stanley Cup Finals, MLB games, NBA draft, WNBA games, NBA Finals, US Open golf, more college baseball, NBA offseason, college football offseason, and then you find the scores for both tournaments.

    This is nothing like how the World Cup is covered, where for both men's and women's it is always treated as a top event.
     
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  18. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
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    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oil & water, really - the fact that they're hardly even on TV at the same time tends to help.
     
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  19. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    So I guess it’s safe to say Concacaf will continue holding the Gold Cup during the CWC in future years?
     
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  20. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
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  21. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You mean FIFA will continue holding the CWC during the Gold Cup? CONCACAF has had the Gold Cup in odd-numbered summers since 2003.
     
  22. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    #1597 Nico Limmat, Jun 18, 2025
    Last edited: Jun 18, 2025
    And which tournament gets the best players?

    Is Gio Reyna with the USMNT or Dortmund?
     
  23. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You mean freedom of movement between Spain and Gibraltar?

    Spain and Britain have been opening and closing the border for centuries.

    Spain last introduced checks in 2013 during a dispute about artificial reefs.
     
  24. soccer_23

    soccer_23 Member

    Feb 6, 2014
    Hopefully Concacaf comes to its senses in 2029 and schedules the Gold Cup for July. As it was in 2021, 2017, 2015, 2013, and 2009. They used to do this to accommodate the Confederations Cup, so why not for the FIFA-prioritized CWC as well?
     
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  25. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Television network scheduling and Stadium venue availability probably were obstacles but yes July would have been better for us fans who want to focus on both tournaments without conflicts.
     
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