FIFA International Match Calendar: Proposed Changes & General Discussion

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by Nico Limmat, Oct 29, 2019.

  1. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member+

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    UEFA doesn't decide the IMC, FIFA does. All UEFA does is design its NT competitions to fit the IMC and maximise fan engagement and they are very successful at doing that.

    The new formats for UNL and European Qualifiers will increase fan engagement without adding any extra games to the calendar.

    https://www.uefa.com/european-quali...ts-for-uefa-men-s-national-team-competitions/
     
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  2. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Before the UNL half the international games were meaningless friendlies. That means players didn't have to give 100% and marginal players got more minutes.

    The UNL significantly increased the competitiveness of games, meaning more appearances, more fatigue and more chance of injury, for no more, or little more, money. The players just accepted it.
     
  3. Eugene Ravdin

    Eugene Ravdin New Member

    Skonto FC
    Latvia
    Jun 20, 2024
    Riga, Latvia
    Nat'l Team:
    Latvia
    Here's some visual context (clickable).

    1 unl.jpg 2 eq.jpg
     
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  4. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member+

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    No, you start with domestic leagues because those with more than 18 clubs are too large because they have to play midweek MDs in order to complete what is essentially a 10-month 38-game season in the standard 9-month European league season.

    The expansion of the European club competitions with the new formats was also based on the assumption that domestic leagues would reduce to 18 clubs - see France approving it but Italy rejecting it - because the original proposal which was approved by UEFA in 2021 and subsequently modified had 10 games in the league phase.
     
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  5. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Premier League didn't consider it on that basis although it was widely reported that the big 6 wanted to reduce the league to 18 and get rid of the League Cup and Community Shield.
     
  6. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Agree. The size of first divisions (18 v 20 teams) and the expanded Club WC are the 2 things really at the heart of this discussion. With only 34 league matches, leagues would be able to afford to start the season in late-August, which would provide players engaged in summer tournaments a proper rest between seasons. Either that or they only have 1 league match per week.

    And of course, the expanded CWC because that precisely targets the teams/players that are already the most overused. Yup, FIFA logic is that it financially benefits the rest of the world, yet UEFA teams will be involved in 80-90% of the CWC matches and rake-in the most money. And its not much money anyway as Ancelotti highlighted.

    After that the super cups. They are only 1 or 2 extra matches but again they target the players that are most fatigued.
     
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  7. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    I would be fine scrapping all the Super Cups. Both, at the domestic and confederation level. Spain, Italy and France tend to use theirs as a promotional tool far away from the domestic market and CAF like to play theirs outside Africa in Doha or Riyadh. It all adds to the player travel burden.
     
  8. Supercups at domestic level being scrapped will only mean the clubs will play another friendly, as it's being fitted in as more or less the final testing friendly by those two clubs.
    So no, scrapping at domestic level means nothing.
     
  9. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  10. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you cut the Premier League to 18 that's 2 fewer home games, so $15 to $20 million in matchday revenue (tickets + concessions + sponsorship) for the biggest clubs.
     
  11. ??
    Do you think
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    Feyenoord and PSV wouldnot play today another match in preparation for next weekend start of the season if the supercup would be scrapped?
     
  12. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member+

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Yes but you make the other games more valuable because they become higher stakes games, so attendances and viewership would increase across the league.

    If FIFA could mandate that every premier league in the world had to be capped at 18 clubs you would not only improve domestic club football as a product but you would also create the space in the calendar for the expanded Club WC without any other significant change having to be made.

    Such a simple solution.
     
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  13. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All the big games sell out anyway. There's not much room for upsell.
     
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  14. Yup, it would mean loss of revenues that can only be recovered by upping the prices.
     
  15. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Politically that won't be acceptable in the UK especially now the government is taking a more active role in governance.
     
  16. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Not sure what you are trying to say. I am guessing you are saying that Super cups don't increase burden on players because if there was no super cup they would have just played another preseason friendly today instead.

    Of course, that totally depends on how seriously the 2 teams take the super cup. If they treat it like a preseason match and field B- or C-team players and make 5 subs at halftime, then sure - you are right. But is that really what they did?
     
  17. No, it's the last match before the season starts, so you play the top squad possible to build stamina and (as the new coach implements a new system) and rapport between the players on the pitch, but given nobody is 90 minutes match fit, in this match all possible subs were used to prevent injuries.
    If it was a practice match instead of an official match, maybe the number of subs would've been 2 more as 2 Feyenoord players struggled in the last 10 minutes..
    The intensity wouldnot be lower for a practice friendly.
     
  18. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Help me out @Nico Limmat : normally, the latest FIFA's held its draw in the previous CWC era was in September, right? Just want to figure out the timeline for how long Infantino can keep up his Intercontinental bluff :D
     
  19. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Which CWC? There are 2. :ROFLMAO::rolleyes:
     
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  20. r0adrunner

    r0adrunner Member+

    Jun 4, 2011
    London, UK
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    lol

    There's only one Club WC and it now has a 32-team format!
     
  21. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    2024 FIFA Intercontinental Cup - Wikipedia

    This is still planned to continue on an annual basis. Not sure why, but its currently planned.
     
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  22. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    It is continuing probably cause FIFA still wants to make money off of it.
    CONMEBOL and UEFA probably would have done it on their own and FIFA would have been left in the cold if not for this format where the Euro teams just play one match.
     
  23. Eugene Ravdin

    Eugene Ravdin New Member

    Skonto FC
    Latvia
    Jun 20, 2024
    Riga, Latvia
    Nat'l Team:
    Latvia
    This is what insanity looks like.

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  24. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    Where will Infantino host the final? Riyadh or Jeddah?
     
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  25. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What, is Doha already booked with the all the u-20 WCs?
     
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