honestly Venezuela is not stronger than us, we keep loosing to the because of our crappy ass defence I would honestly say that our defense is as bad as Peru's and Bolivia's. The only difference between them and us is that we have been producing quality attacking players. For those of you who say they have more players playing outside their country that is not very true and some of them are second division players this is what ecuador has. Jairo Campos- Atl. Mineiro Antonio Valencia- Manchester United Edison Mendez- Atl Mineiro Christian Noboa- Rubin Kazan Joffre Guerron- Atl. Paranaense Jefferson Montero- Villarreal Juan Casares- River Plate Edson Montano- K.A.A. Gent Christian Benitez- Santos Laguna Felix Borja- FSV Mainz 05 Carlos Tenorio- Al Nasr. Augusto Batioja- FK Indija Felipe Caicedo- Levante Daniel Reinoso- Some shit team in second division in Belgium Michael Arroyo- San Luis Walter Ayovi- Monterrey Brian Alcantara- Miltown FC Ivan Carrera- RCD Mallorca (youth wonderkid) Irvin Chavez- RCD Mallorca (youth) Josimar Quintero- FC Barcelona (youth wonderkid, I know his still a kid but could become the next agustin delgado or even better and there is a countless other players playing in shitty teams like Reinoso and Alcantara who I do not even feel like including in the list. anyway I know some of this players are shit but why havent the 2 players from Mallorca gotten a Cap for the U20 team? there only 18 years old. I'll tell you why because every coah that we get sucks, they never give the right players their chances, for ex. to this day Jefferson Montero is still not a starter on the left after Spanish reporters claim he could be a future phenom like messi. ALso notice how we only have one good defender outside ecuador thats because our defenders suck all the talented players want to be MF or FW and that sucks.