FIFA clarifies "shirt removal"

Discussion in 'Referee' started by MassachusettsRef, Jun 22, 2004.

  1. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. burning247

    burning247 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    England
    Sep 16, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Joke or not that is the stupidest rule I have ever heard, removing the jersey after scoring is tradition and part of the game, leave it to FIFA to F that one up.
     
  3. Ann

    Ann Member

    Feb 17, 1999
    MA
  4. Freddy Garcia Lives

    Feb 28, 2003
    Tumwater, WA
    So I can flash my chest all I want as long as I don't pull the jersey above my head ..........................BRILLIANT!
     
  5. jc508

    jc508 New Member

    Jan 3, 2000
    Columbus, Ohio area
    What if they have another uniform shirt on under the shirt they lift to cover their face?

    What is the rationale for this rule? I understood that FIFA was upset that they were not getting any fees for advertising on shirts under the uniform shirt, and I just wonder if this is the reason.

    Is it so that there would not be a cry of sexual discrimination if men could remove their shirt and women could not?

    Inquiring minds need to know.
     
  6. SmittyLax6

    SmittyLax6 New Member

    Dec 26, 2003
    Shelton, CT
    I was actually kinda happy that Bobby Convey got some face time from Fifa.
     
  7. chrisrun

    chrisrun Member

    Jan 13, 2004
    Orlando, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Two main reasons: Time wasting, and player identification.

    Some players were getting out of control with the jersey removals. Waving it in the air, doing little dances around the jersey, team mates joining in. A line had to be drawn somewhere. Pulling the jersey over your head seems like a pretty clean line that can't be mistaken and isn't open to interpretation.

    Also, with players removing jerseys, you have the potential for misconduct without being able to identify the players. Not likely, but I could see a situation where several players remove their jersey to celebrate and then get into a fight with the other team who don't take kindly to the excess celebration. It's hard enough to keep track of players when they HAVE jerseys with numbers, let alone without. Like I said, not a likely to happen, but why even get into that situation if it can be easily avoided?
     
  8. kevbrunton

    kevbrunton New Member

    Feb 27, 2001
    Edwardsburg, MI
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OK, so when does this become effective here in the US?

    Does MLS implement it immediately?

    Does USSF wait until Jan 1 to implement this when the vast majority of referees will be going through their recert clinics?

    There isn't anything in the USSF position papers about this, but one would expect to see it this year.
     
  9. Metros Striker10

    Metros Striker10 New Member

    Jul 7, 2001
    Planet Earth
    Yep, that's reason No. 3574 that US has made it in the soccer world. Not only was he featured in their fancy Acrobat explaination of the shirt removal rule, but twice!
     
  10. cleazer

    cleazer Member+

    May 6, 2003
    Toledo, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That was hilarious. I'd give it five out of five stars.
    I'll probably watch it again tomorrow.
     
  11. JoseP

    JoseP Member

    Apr 11, 2002
    What would happen if the player removed the jersey, but then the goal was called backed because of an offsides call? I say no card because the rules stipulate there is only a card after a goal is scored.
     
  12. voros

    voros Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Parts Unknown
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So the extra 9 seconds it costs is worthy of a yellow, but the minute and a half it takes for a wall to get back the requisite 10 yards from the free kick isn't cardable? Plus putting the shirt over the back of the head but not completely off likely wastes no time at all.

    This is about displaying messages on undershirts and nothing else. FIFA doesn't like it, and FIFA bans things it doesn't like. It knows no other way. This latest clarification is about guys circumventing the original rule by pulling the shirts over their head but not completely off.

    FIFA is a bunch of corrupt mulletheads.
     
  13. chrisrun

    chrisrun Member

    Jan 13, 2004
    Orlando, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If this were true I think they would have just said that there can be no advertising or messages on undershirts, like they say there can be no advertising on the field or field equipment. With the current explanation, the player can still lift his shirt to show an ad or message.
     
  14. ProfZodiac

    ProfZodiac Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 17, 2003
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What about hot pants? Can they remove their hot pants in celebration of a goal?
     
  15. refmike

    refmike New Member

    Dec 10, 2003
    Cal North
    It is to be implemented in the US when your SRA passes on a USSF memo to implement it. The reason is that on law changes USSF must give us an interpretation and any additional instructions. Passing on an interpretation must follow the same path.
     
  16. Claymore

    Claymore Member

    Jul 9, 2000
    Montgomery Vlg, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good stuff. I'd put it right up there with the whole shirt-sleeve controversy right after the WC. :rolleyes:
     
  17. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is only true when FIFA issues a clarification or a circular. This is a change to the Laws of the Game by the IFAB and it takes effect immediately on July 1st, 2004, except for competitions that have begun before July 1st. In those instances (MLS, Open Cup, etc.), the competition authorities decide whether or not they want to institute the rule immediately or wait until next year's competition.

    Documentation is provided here:

    http://www.ussoccer-data.com/docfile/2004Memorandum.pdf

    Law XII, IFAB Decision 6 is within the text. The last page of the memorandum says that everything becomes effective on July 1st.
     
  18. nsa

    nsa Member+

    New England Revolution
    United States
    Feb 22, 1999
    Notboston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  19. rocketeer22

    rocketeer22 Member+

    Apr 11, 2000
    Oakton,VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Does anyone else remember the problems players had of putting their jerseys on when teams started wearing the jerseys with the linings? It happened so frequently I thought there was an epidemic.
     
  20. andylovesoccer

    Sep 2, 2000
    Asheville, NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If this were about displaying messages on undershirts, then the last picture of Convey should be a card also as you could easily have a message in the area he exposes. I agree that completely removing the shirt could easily lead to problems for the officials and shouldn't be allowed. Players could switch jerseys at this point or trouble could break out while the players are undressed. I think it is silly to card anything else (i.e. shirt over head).
     
  21. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    Here we go again. At least they are providing some direct guidance so everyone knows what is allowed and what isn't. I think the whole thing is silly though.
     

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