http://uk.reuters.com/article/footballNews/idUKB83087820070621?feedType=RSS Anyone else see this? This really hurts the national team, big time. I have to ask though, if Colautti married an Israeli wouldn't he automatically be eligible to become a citizen? Or does he have to live in Israel a certain amount of time? And give Toto Tamuz citizenship already! He wants to serve in the Army for God's sake!
Tamuz just isn't eligible under any legislation for citizenship. Colautti must stay in Israel one more year in order to get a passport.
Both toto tamuz and robby collautti cannot play for israel's remaining games. This is tough, roby is a very important part of the team. I was hoping he'd score in wembley. They will both be around for the 2010wc. Let's get the younger players involved and create some great attacking strikers for the future.
There are over two months till the England match. Let's pray they figure it out before then, the match will be difficult enough with them.. The more I think about it the more this pisses me off! It's absurd to change the rules in the middle of a tournament.... this shouldn't go into affect untill the next World cup qualifying...they've already scored goals in this qualifying that seems unfair to the opponents Israel has already played as much as it's unfair to Israel in the other way..
In Colautti's case, yes. But the government has sandbagged Tamuz so often it seems like they simply don't want to give him full citizenship for whatever reason. First he wouldn't be given citzenship/residency status, then he would, and on and on. He grew up in Israel, wants to serve in the army, and has no other citizenship. Why not just give him citizenship right now, let alone years ago?
Wow this is retarted. This is just another way for fifa to put israel down. Last time they made a big deal of an israeli attack on a hamas launching field which was on a soccer field and they messed up the soccer field. What they forgot to mention was that a day before palestinians had fired on an israeli soccer field and hurt some kids. And last year in uefa they didnt let israel play at home, meanwhile in turkey and madrid there were bombings and now in spain ETA (the basque revolutionary group) has basically said there is no more cease fire so there may be more attacks in spain. I hope they change their minds cause it seems like israel never has a choice in any of these matters and its just sepp blatter, and he only does what ever the hell he wants without thinking first...sorry for the rant just really pissed off. -Dan p.s. the problem with giving Tamuz and Colautti citizenship is that they are not jewish and technically Israel is a jewish state. I know there are muslim citizens in israel but they were born there and i dont think its right but w/e thats my opionion and it has nothing to do with soccer. I hope tamuz and colautti can play again
FIFA are a bunch of idiots, just look at their ranking system, they cant get that right either. How this new rule is beneficial to any league/national team is beyond me. Makes no sense whatsoever. Sepp Blatter is an idiots idiot and I cant wait till the day he no longer represents FIFA. Good riddence.
The English FA finger prints are all over this rule. They are getting worried that they might not qualify and they also have alot of power in the football world. With that said it is stupid that these guys dont have citizenship. The Interior Ministry can easliy put Tamuz and Colautti on fast track status that can speed up the process which is done all over the world.
So the English, who don't actually have much power in world football, want to deny you the use of your top two strikers against England, then Croatia and Russia? Where's the logic in that?
This has nothing to do with it. If you give Toto Tammuz citizenship, it starts a chain reaction that means that thousands of children from illegal immigrants in Israel would have to be given citizenship as well. Doing this, would alter the rate of illegal immigration into Israel and have a huge effect on our country. If Toto feels very Israeli, let him convert to Judaism and/or marry an Israeli. That is his only way to be able to get citizenship. People forget, Toto does have a nationality, he is Nigerian. The fact that he refuses to go to the Nigerian embassy in Tel Aviv and get a passport does not mean that he is stateless. In regards to Roberto Colautti, we had to wait the same amount of time for Jamie Arnold to be allowed to join the Israeli national basketball team. This is the law, has nothing to do with Colautti's religion. Had he converted and gotten married in Israel, I am sure that the process could have been sped up because the Interior Ministry in Israel sees alot of bogus weddings registered in Israel that take place in Cyprus for the sake of getting an Israeli passport. Making a law for Ben Sahar to not go to the army, great. Making laws that grant these two immediate citizenship can devastate the future of our Jewish country and that is why they have to go through the system.
KYHS you are spot on, an article in the Jerusalem Post here says that Collauti and Tamuz are going to have to wait. http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1182409612401&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull So what are our striking options going into the England game? Yaniv Azran, one of the leading scorers in Ligat Ha'al this year, he should be given consideration. Shai Holtzman, yes I know he is old, but so what? The guy scores goals and his height will help us in the air. Barak Itzchaki, has played well as of late has been in really good form probably will start as one of our strikers. Ben Sahar, is he ready?
Hell someone should sue fifa....how can you change rules in the middle of a tournament? Could they be any more unprofessional?
Without the playmaking ability of Colautti and Tamuz, it wont matter who starts because they wont do anything.
Im not a conspiracy theorist. But I can't help but notice all the stuff I see. Why would FIFA institute this rule now, in the middle of qualification? Why not before or after qualifcation? Also, this rule is directed towards Israel, right before they play England. I wouldnt be suprised if the Russians had something to do with this also. However, I dont blame England. I blame Israel for trying to have their cake and eat it to. instead of giving them citizenship, they gave them permanent residency status(in Tamuz's case only temporary), at the same time benefiting from their talents. Because of this Israel's qualification campaign is over.
It isn't over. We're tied for top of the group, We control our own destiny. Even though it will be be very difficult.
The win in Macedonia reversed that. Before that, People expected a draw in Macedonia and a draw against Croatia(a total of 2 points). Instead we got a loss against Croatia and a win against Macedonia(a total of 3 points). 24 points will be needed to have a realistic chance at qualfying. 25 pooints will make it for sure.
While it is retarted to have this rule in the middle of the tournament, I don't exactly hate it. I think national teams should be rep'd by people of THAT nationality, not just living their because the club team they play for is their and they can't make the national team of their origin. Does Colautti have to wait three more years?! If that's right then Israel really does have retarded (fear of gentile) immigration laws. I can see waiting two years from marriage, just to see if it works or isn't fake to get granted citizenship, but that is rediculous. As far as Tamuz goes, he should be a citizen now. He's lived basically all his life there, speaks Hebrew, wants to join the military, and just because he happens not to be a Jew, he is denied this. Even more rediculous. Of course all in all they both - who are not Muslims - have to deal with Jewish-Israeli paranoia about a Jewish majority and not having any more Muslims in the nation. However, thanks to Israel, Jews have been moving up. We used to get denied citizenship in gentile nations, now we can do it to them. YEAH!!! BTW, what is Tamuz supposed to do? Let's say he doesn't get granted citizenship in basically the only nation he know BECAUSE of his background, since he's already played for Israel and therefore not alowed to play for anyone else, is his international career just ruined? I'm not saying this is some conspiracy against Israel (not that good to have conspiracies against - yet?), but forget Israel, this hurts Colautti and especially Tamuz.
Read my post. Rules are rules. Had Colautti not gone to Cyprus to get married and Tammuz been legally adopted by Orit Tammuz, this never would have happened. The blame is not the Interior Ministry's, it is on the players.
What rules? They are not consistent. A non-Jew born to Arab parents in Israel is a citizen, but a non-Jew born to Filipino parents in Israel is not a citizen. A non-Jew like Toto Tamuz who has lived in Israel since he was 3 and speaks fluent Hebrew is not a citizen, but a non-Jew from Uzbekistan who has lived in Israel for 3 days and has one Jewish grandparent is a citizen.
In the Arab case, the parents are citizens. In the Phillipino case, the parents are not citizens. This issue is a bit more complicated - this is entering the Secular State vs. Jewish State issue...
Yes, because legislation is in place that lets that happen. Don't forget that the country since foundation is meant to serve as a safe heaven for Jewish people from around the world and their offspring. Rules are rules. I am happy to see the country uphold rules. I put my country first, not its football.