Pre-match: Fifa 2018 qualifiers :Brazil Vs. Argentina

Discussion in 'Argentina: Selecciones Nacionales' started by jimmi_moh, Nov 10, 2016.

  1. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
  2. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
  3. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    (Posted after Tata's departure)





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  4. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
  5. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    LOL what a clown...

    Bauza just spoke after the game and said that it was a "tough loss" but that "we had possession at times, as did Brazil" and that they "did not show superiority". He later went to explain what caused the team to lose the game... his player selections? poor defending? lack of creativity in midfield? Nope.. "The main problem was Brazil's second goal (!!).. That complicated us a lot because I had to begin taking risks."

    :eek:

    Speechless.

    But then again, maybe we shouldn't worry because he did say before that we are going to win the World Cup (just like he said we were going to beat Brazil just a few days ago :rolleyes:)
     
  6. Milan05

    Milan05 Member

    Dec 2, 2015
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Bring back Sabella
     
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  7. Sandinista

    Sandinista Member+

    Apr 11, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    Racing Club de Avellaneda
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    We need Caruso Lombardi to make Argentina great again.
     
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  8. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
  9. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
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  10. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Bauza has no gameplan or tactic. You ll never ableindentity his team
    Bauza after the conference...
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  11. afar

    afar Member+

    Apr 26, 2007
    Yes, the team really needs to be completely gutted. But is there no one who can take over right now?

    I hope that it is absolutely clear that Icardi-Dybala-Paredes-Garay need to be on this team.

    The most worrying thing, among everything else, is that Mascherano is completely gone now. If we make it to the World Cup, he can be a good sub --- but the Mascherano of 2014 is no more.

    And we don't have a replacement. Also, almost every leading team has great wingbacks who can both attack and defend, and all of ours can do neither.
     
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  12. Milan05

    Milan05 Member

    Dec 2, 2015
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I would like to see;


    Dybala - Icardi - Messi
    Vazquez - Paredes - Banega
    Tagliafico - Musacchio - Otamendi - Gomez
    Rulli


    And try to play football like Liverpool does. Fast, direct, high pressing, and lethal on the counter.
     
  13. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Aca esta el Gol de Aguero
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  14. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    This.

    It is fundamental to have wingbacks supporting the attack, especially if you're playing a formation with two DMFs in the middle as we do. If not, the rival knows exactly who to target -- Di Maria, Messi, and the right winger, be it Gaitan, Perez, or whoever plays the role on a given day. This leaves the forwards struggling to receive service and the few attacking midfielders we have being practically irrelevant throughout the 90 minutes. There is absolutely no element of surprise.

    Maybe you could make an exception if they provided stellar defending, but as you mentioned Rojo and Zabaleta are far from being even decent at that task.
     
  15. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    We don't have a replacement for Masche? Surely we do, Ascacibar would do just fine, much better than this old and beaten down Mascherano. I'd still bring him with my team but only as a back-up. He can give you 1 crucial game but he simply cannot play on a Sunday, flight across the Atlantic and start on a game on Thursday. Time to give a player like Ascacibar a real look.

    We have wingbacks who can attack and defend but you have the likes of Tagliafico and Jose Luis Gomez of Lanus who can slot in the wingback position and give more than what we have been seeing.

    As I have said, we have the talent but they continue to get neglected. It seems like we repeat ourselves and yet, we hear things such as "We did not play so bad" "or my favorite "We were unlucky". I mean Jesus F Christ man, enough is enough. We are all tired of it, and its come to the point where all we can do is just laugh.
     
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  16. jimmi_moh

    jimmi_moh Member+

    Mar 30, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    what a turmoil , we were WC finalists and 2 copa finalists. look at the state now all happened with in the span 6 months.
    where a brazil they are rising from the shambles , our team now just bunch of friends playing together for fun and having beer later.
    need to bring young players ASAP
     
  17. Milan05

    Milan05 Member

    Dec 2, 2015
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I hope Colombia win next week. Sometimes you need to be broken before you can be fixed.
     
  18. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    They probably win narrowly and Bauza think he has done everything right. Its not good scenario whether they win or not.

    If Messi delivers his magic again like his winner against Uruguay, then Argentina probably beat Colombia and then Bauza will no doubt think his team is ready to win Russia 2018 by bringing the likes of Pipita, Zabaleta, Biglia and Romero.
     
  19. HollywoodHayat

    HollywoodHayat Member+

    Feb 11, 2013
    I was holding judgement on Bauza for the past couple of games just to give the guy a proper evaluation but 2 out of 12 points says it all. He has been absolutely terrible at forming a team and can't read a game properly. I seriously think he needs to go but I just don't think AFA would do such a thing unless they lose or tie Columbia which would be a surprise considering how Arg are usually solid at home.

    In regards to our wingbacks, not only Jose Gomez & Tagliafico can fill in but Gino Peruzzi, Ansaldi, and Vangioni can do a better job than the ones currently selected. One more thing, Banega was arguably one of Argentina's best players the past two CAs and he has been completely dropped from the starting eleven for no apparent reason. Its also very shocking that Garay, Lanzini, and Paredes are never considered. This concludes to Bauza's limited vision and tactical thinking. I can field a team that can beat this Brazilian side on any given day but his insistence on keeping the same crop of players that have shown signs of incompetency for the past 5 games tells me he's not seeing what everyone on planet earth is seeing or he's just not working!!!
     
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  20. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    If the manager pick the best talent out there instead of "Messi and friends" , we wouldnt struggle continuously.

    These guys are done with exception of Messi himself and few of them which I'm fine if they started from the bench. However, there shouldnt be a place for Romero, Biglia , Zabaleta and Pipita.

    Some of the guys just dont give crap about the NT anymore, they're totally done after the final.
     
  21. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Deportivo Wanka, Semen Padang, Dinamo Bender, Fotballaget Fart
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's amazing how much that penalty shootout in New York has seemed to affect Argentina. I was at that game and you guys were on top, not only in that match, but seemed one of the more focused post-WC national teams around playing in well in that tournament, the qualifiers and previous years Copa America... then Rojo gets that red card, the game turns and it seems like all the momentum has been lost, a complete 180 degree reversal in fortune. If it's any consolation though, sometimes struggling in qualifying can actually be a blessing in disguise, as it's better to find out about these deficiencies now instead of later and go into the tournament with a false sense of overconfidence... I guess people look at Brazil 2002 + France 2006 as teams who struggled in qualifying but later managed to win or reach the final of the WC proper.
     
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  22. jimmi_moh

    jimmi_moh Member+

    Mar 30, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    what i am thinking is bauza trying to emulate sabellas tactics.

    Eventhough we kept high line defense in second half , we had start with lowline defense and hoping to make counter attack.

    he copied our succesful combo of biglia and masch in midifield during sabella time. but he failed understand sabellas team was lethal in counter attack , but this guy didnt have any clue to make that.

    Ottamendi is no way can be trused , his extra aggressiveness is danger thing to have , paring him with mori is making us more vulnerable.

    i dont want to comment about dimaria,zabelata, kun etc.

    One more thing we have to see is messis position , he is best when he plays with 2 other striking partners, it was alwyas the case. If you guys remember sabellas days where he used to deply 5-3-2 against tougher opponents in away matches , we can hardly see messis magic , either he have to make extra effort or coach have to change the tactic accordingly.
    we can comeback , but when our players it self not showing any metal nor any grit no coach can fix this issue , we need fresh faces in all departments.

    Bring icardi , he is not a saviour and he is not going to make much difference under bauza but adding him is clear indication to our senior players that , "your lobbying of making friends band inside is done"
     
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  23. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Based on what I saw from Bauza at SPFC, Argentina had no business hiring him in the first place and his work thus far has proven it. Argentina's FA has done the unthinkable -- they are more incompetent than the CBF, at least when it comes to appointing a coach.
     
  24. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    The way I look at it, there are players that care alot about the NT and affeceted by 3 consecutive final lost. Mascherano and Messi cares alot hence Messi decided to quit temporarily, but Messi love football itself more than anything, the reason why he's on the pitch in first place is because he love the ball & he enjoy the sport so much just like Diego back in the day. This is why it does not affect his performance for Barcelona. After losing in QF 2010, he won league and CL the next season, Argentina lost in 2014 WC final, he came back winning another treble the next season. You'd think after recent final lost, it would be begining of the end for his greatness but nope... he's scoring at even higher rate even compare to his previous best 2011-2012 season.

    For Mascherano, he was obviously gutted after losing his fifth major tournament finals, yes for the fifth fime! (2004, 2007, 2014, 2015, 2016). You can see his face in the background when Messi was interviewed after recent final lost. Cant blame him, he was leader on the pitch (without captain armband) , and has been playing highest level for his club and country for more than a decade! but those finals disapointment is too much for him.

    However, there are also guys who simply doesnt care about NT result anymore... the way Romero, Higuain, Zabaleta, Aguero play... it doesnt seems like they care about the team result at all. Higuain never apologize, I know he's not obligated too , but he hardly say anything despite those fatal mistakes for 3 consecutive finals! Aguero will post a pic of him with huge smile saying "cmon Argentina" and shit like that in his social media everytime Argentina fail to win. Romero is the same, he never look frustrated no matter how many goals he conceided, still smiling. Rojo is Rojo, a workhorse without footballing brain.

    Biglia , I always knew he's one of those who will play with fear in high preasure games. In fact I predcited he will always miss his penalty and I was right... he missed his penalties in 2015 & 2016 Copa.

    Di Maria will give you 3 great performance in every 10 matches he play. In other word, inconsistent despite possessing the skills.
     
  25. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #125 Rattlehead, Nov 11, 2016
    Last edited: Nov 11, 2016

    What Icardi has done for Inter this season is a testament to his mentallity and ability. Playing as a #9 in a team that is even worst than current Argentina, he still get 10+ goals in 16 matches plus 4 assists. He has been league top scorer at 21.

    Bauza will never able to emulate Sabella defensive ability. Look how his Estudiantes defence frustrated Barcelona for almost 120 minutes. If wasnt Messi's goal (ironically), Barcelona could possibly lose in shootout. Also, you can see his counter attack masterplan even in his first game in charge. He has been unfortunate with his players fitness problem during the WC, even with that, he was able to maximize with what he had.





    Bauza's team has no identity or style, its similar to Diego's team in 2009-2010. Its full of headless chicken improvising on the pitch.
     
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