Pre-match: Fifa 2018 qualifiers :Brazil Vs. Argentina

Discussion in 'Argentina: Selecciones Nacionales' started by jimmi_moh, Nov 10, 2016.

  1. jimmi_moh

    jimmi_moh Member+

    Mar 30, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    [[****Official Match-day Thread***]] [[SuperClásico]]

    Competition:
    FIFA World Cup Qualifier

    Match:
    Brazil Vs. Argentina

    Venue:
    Estadio Governador Magalhaes Pinto of Belo Horizonte



    Expected Starting lineup:
    ----------------------------------Sergio Romero----------------------------------;
    Mercado-------------Otamendi-----------Fumes Mori------------------Mas;
    ---------------------Mascherano------------biglia-----------------------------;
    perez------------------------------Messi------------------------------Di Maria;
    -------------------------------------Higuain-----------------------------------------;
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  2. benos

    benos Member

    Nov 28, 2007
    Relatively balanced lineups if we look at the lineups against Uruguay,Paraguay and Venezuela. another player who can control the middle and distribute balls foreward.

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  3. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    If Biglia isnt in top form and Pipita in his usual "always miss a sitter " form, then we would lose probably 2-0. Maybe only if Messi pull off his magic Argentina can win this game. I'm saying this based on previous matches form. Midfield control was non existent in last few matches, and defennce has been horrible.

    We'll see....
     
  4. jimmi_moh

    jimmi_moh Member+

    Mar 30, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Real test for our wingbacks
     
  5. afar

    afar Member+

    Apr 26, 2007
    I like the line-up, as it should give some solidity defensively. Perez will have to really help Mercado with Neymar and Di Maria the same with Mas on Coutinho.

    The only issue I see is that there is a danger of Messi and Higuain being completely cut-off from the team, as there is no one who can really link the midfield with attack.

    Messi will probably start dropping back if that happens, but then there will be no one to link up play up top.

    Needless to say, all of our team needs to really be on top form, but Mascherano and Messi will have to be really, really on form.

    Messi and Bauza gave a 20 minute lecture to our guys, stressing how important this game is.

    Bauza apparently has said that Icardi will be called up for the next round of qualifiers.
     
  6. afar

    afar Member+

    Apr 26, 2007
    http://www.espnfc.us/argentina/stor...vercome-brazil-with-lionel-messi-mario-kempes

    Argentina legend Mario Kempes is convinced that with Lionel Messi back in the fold, the Albiceleste have enough quality to beat Brazil in Thursday's crucial 2018 World Cup qualifier in Belo Horizonte.

    Argentina have not won against their arch-rivals in Brazill since Claudio Lopez's goal gave them a 1-0 triumph in an international friendly at the Maracana stadium in April 1998.

    "This is the best national team that Argentina has had and will ever have," Kempes told Cadena Ser radio. "We have the best player in the world but we have to take advantage of that.

    "Argentina has never been able to convince itself that it can win in Brazil. For some reason we have always struggled.

    "We have never beaten them in [a competitive game] on their own soil."

    Brazil have won their last four qualifiers, scoring 10 goals and conceding just one in the process.

    Messi missed Argentina's last three qualifiers with a groin injury but will captain the team at the Mineirao stadium with his side desperate to get back in contention for a qualifying spot.....

    ...

    "We can't blame coach [Edgardo] Bauza," Kempes said. "Right now we are not heading in the right direction but I think he has the means to pull Argentina out of this situation.

    "I always say that the South American qualifiers are the most difficult of all. You can't make mistakes because you are out."

    Kempes, who was top scorer in the 1978 World Cup to help Argentina win the title, says Argentina must change their approach if they are to have a chance of qualifying.

    'If Argentina plays the way that they are playing now, depending so much on Messi as they are, we will not qualify for the World Cup," the 62-year-old said.

    Messi heads into the encounter in impressive form, having scored one goal, his 500th for Barca, and set up another in his club's 2-1 win at Sevilla this last Saturday.

    "He is the best player but we need to help him by having players around him," Kempes said.

    Kempes believes that luck has not been on this Argentina generation's side.

    The nation's defeat on penalties against hosts Chile in the Copa America Centenario this summer marked their third straight final loss at a major competition in a two-year span, with the first coming at the 2014 World Cup against Germany. In those three finals, Argentina did not lose or concede any goals inside 90 minutes.

    "We can't forget that these players did the hard thing which was to reach three finals," Kempes said. "To reach a final is the most difficult thing and they did that three times.

    "But we are missing that luck that you need to become champion. We lost twice on penalties and against Germany [2014 World Cup final], we fell 1-0 in extra time."
     
  7. afar

    afar Member+

    Apr 26, 2007
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  8. pipinogol

    pipinogol Member

    May 20, 2016
    Club:
    Cary RailHawks U23
    If Tite is smart he'll make Neymar play on the right instead. I'm fairly confident Zabaleta-Perez can contain him well, Mas-Di Maria not so much.
     
  9. afar

    afar Member+

    Apr 26, 2007
    Well yes, Neymar is Neymar, but Coutinho has been devastating for Liverpool this year as well. Both flanks may probably be severely tested.
     
  10. Leon12

    Leon12 Member+

    Jan 5, 2006
    Man of the world
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Can't say I'm particularly optimistic about tonight, but I live in hope.
     
  11. cigar_city

    cigar_city Member+

    Jun 20, 2005
    Likely where I should NOT be...
    Club:
    Newell s Old Boys
    It's amazing how much apathy can build & thereafter surface when three finals in three years have been lost, the AFA is in shambles and the coach has seriously disappointed. But that's where I am.

    Not sure why Banega is not in there Biglia Masche has very limited potential to feed the boys up front, unless -as seems to me - the ball will move forward with Perez & Di Maria on the flanks, at least for the 1st half. Banega and Aguero should be second half subs into the match, regardless of the score, Kun's best outing as of late was his sub into the CAC final, where he had the best chance in the match.

    Bauza needs to call one of the better games of his career, not wait too long on the subs in the 2nd half.

    Still having family over, will cook up some meat, provoletas, tortillas de papa, mushroom bruschetta, served with vino Argentino, but certainly feel like this is a certain loss. I realize Argentina haven't won there in 18 years, but I have always historically been hopefully optimistic for this trip. That mentality is impossible given what I've seen from this squad. Admittedly, Pulga in the lineup provides a distinct mindset from the Albiceleste team & coaches, so a repeat of the Uruguay battle is more than welcome.

    Then again, i thought the same dreaded thoughts in 1990....

    VAMOS ARGENTINA
     
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  12. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I dont see it as impossible as some of you guys.. I feel Argentina can win

    However, being an away game and knowing Bauza, I wouldnt be surprised to see him go for the draw from the getgo.
     
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  13. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    The brazucas back to their hacking ways. No shocker there.
     
  14. Leon12

    Leon12 Member+

    Jan 5, 2006
    Man of the world
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Couthino is pretty much unstoppable at the moment.
     
  15. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    That was on Masche. He allowed that run to happen.
     
  16. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Wasted....

    Brazil has 11 man to defend.
     
  17. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Fatso is so worthless, it's unreal.
     
  18. SupaMario

    SupaMario Member+

    Aug 31, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA Tigre
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Good job Zabaleta.
     
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  19. Leon12

    Leon12 Member+

    Jan 5, 2006
    Man of the world
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Perhaps they should put some slices of pizza in the goal as an incentive for fatty to score.
     
  20. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Its Bauza's fault if he keep those players in the team who's shouldnt be there in first place.

    I hope they lost 0-4 and Bauza would be replaced.
     
  21. jaimito11

    jaimito11 Member

    Jul 11, 2016
    Club:
    CA Independiente
    Listening on the radio to this game, and the announcers are asking "hasta cuando, Bauza?"
     
  22. illusion

    illusion Member+

    Aug 26, 2005
    From Hell
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
  23. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    One victory that came from Messi magic moment, this guy technically has collected even worst result than Diego did in 2009-2010.
     
  24. Leon12

    Leon12 Member+

    Jan 5, 2006
    Man of the world
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Oh well it's goodnight from me and goodnight to our chances of qualifying for the world cup.
     
  25. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Still makes no sense how hes starting, specially after Mercado's above average displays throughout the Copa America & WCQ....
     
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