Favorite Formation

Discussion in 'Coach' started by Naco, Nov 5, 2002.

  1. Naco

    Naco Member

    Aug 5, 2001
    Probably been on here a million times, but since im too lazy too find it...Post your favorite formation and why.

    Mine:



    S
    F F
    AM
    M M
    DM
    D D D
    SW

    I like this because it gives you a very powerful offence, as well as a sturdy defence. Just make sure you have an experienced sweeper to keep people in place.

    Sean
     
  2. topcow

    topcow New Member

    Nov 23, 2000
    New York
    Wouldn't a goalkeeper be helpful?
     
  3. kevbrunton

    kevbrunton New Member

    Feb 27, 2001
    Edwardsburg, MI
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sean,

    What age are you talking about? Because my favorite formation depends upon the age and level of skill.

    When I was coaching U11 - U12 select, we used this formation...


    ... S ....... S

    M.......M.........M

    D.......D..........D

    ....SW......SW

    It was called the WM at one point. In the attack, the central defender transitition into a linking midfielder and in the defense, the central midfielder transitioned back into a defensive mid. There's close support for every position everywhere on the field.


    However, for an older age group, I have to say that I really like the formation that my son's U17 coach uses.

    ........S........S

    ......AM......AM
    M.......................M
    ............DM

    D............D..........D

    The defense plays flat and zonal. When defending, it will frequently appear that there are 4 or 5 defenders back depending upon where the opponents are making their runs from. When attacking, 7 go forward VERY aggresively and the right back frequently forays into the attack.

    It helps that this team has a TON of speed with 7 of the 10 guys in the range I'd consider VERY fast. I'm talking two guys on this U17 team with 4.2 speed in the 40, 3 others in the 4.3 to 4.4 range and 2 more in the 4.6 area. The DM and the left and central D's are the only ones not in this range.
     
  4. Motterman

    Motterman Member

    Jul 8, 2002
    Orlando, FL
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    LW......CS......RW
    LM......ACM.....RM
    LB.......CD......RB
    ..........SW.........

    Depending on game situation you can change SW to a DCM in front of the CD and just behind the ACM who is given more space to roam forward. The LW and RW must also make crossing runs and the CS also should check back for the ball.
     
  5. rymannryan

    rymannryan New Member

    Aug 27, 2002
    N.N., Virginia


    That's 11 field players.
     
  6. Richie

    Richie Red Card

    May 6, 1999
    Brooklyn, NY, United
    Your favorite formation might not fit the players you happen to have. So that is the deciding factor in picking a formation not what you may prefer as a coach.

    However, if you have a large player pool to choose from that you can put in a favorite formation.

    But if you don't pay your players or do not have a big player pool play, then it comes down to what best suits your players.

    Even then a formation is a starting point, and that's all. Your players should have the freedom to move an attack space, and to defend space. So a left wing can find himself in the middle as a striker at times, or as a left back on an interchange with a left back or even at a right wing to gain a match up advantage. Or to get an inside shot advantage moving from the right flank inside the field.

    Richie
     
  7. blech

    blech Member+

    Jun 24, 2002
    California
    I agree with many of these points. I had plans for a new formation this season, but it became clear after a couple of games that it wasn't working so we switched to something else that did a better job of maximizing our strengths and compensating for our weaknesses. As noted, some of these formations require speed. It would be foolish to use them if you don't have the players to do it.

    Also, in an ideal world, formation wouldn't matter that much. It is just a starting point, and the more your players are able to flow freely within the system, the better off you're likely to be. That said, this will again depend on the skill level and experience of your players. For many, this is above their understanding of the game and the coach needs to give them and keep them in positions in order to keep them grounded.

    this said, i'm currently a fan of the 3-5-2, with 2 defensive mids in the center, and an attacking mid up front playing behind the two strikers. add in some speed on the flanks and you're in business, clogging the defense and creating advantage situations on offense.
     
  8. jdonnici

    jdonnici Member

    Aug 27, 2002
    Westminster, CO
    This fall, I coached a U12 Rec team and most of the boys had played only a couple of years (not with me as their coach)-- none had played together.

    I went with this for most of the season...

    LW____S____RW
    _LM___CM___RM
    _____ST
    __LD______RD
    ______SW

    This worked well because it was simple for them to follow. The CM had a lot of responsibility for pushing up on the attack and the Stopper had responsibility for transitioning the play from defense to offense. He'd often find himself as part of the back of an attacking line, but worked hard make sure the ball didn't get behind him.

    In the spring, I expect that I'll have most of the same kids again and we can work on some variations. When I can get them seeing subtleties in the mid-field, I may go with a 3-5-2:

    ____S S
    M_AM__M__AM_M
    D_____D_____D
     
  9. empennage

    empennage Member

    Jan 4, 2001
    Phoenix, AZ
    I think my alltime favorite formation is the dreaded 3-6-1. I played on a team that used this formation when I was playing U-16 and U-17, and it worked really well. It looked like this:


    -----------S-----------
    -------AM---AM-------
    LW------------------RW
    -------DM---DM-------
    LD-------CD--------RD


    This system relies on the outside flanks for attacks, therefore it requires players with a lot of speed on the wings. I like this system a lot because it allows for a team to put a lot of people forward on offense, but at the same time it allows the team to put a lot of people back.

    Anyway even though this is my favorite formation, I do not have my U-14 team playing like this. They are not advanced enough for this formation, nor are they fast enough.
     
  10. helmzgk

    helmzgk New Member

    Jun 14, 2002
    california
    With my team i have to use the Diamond formation in Midfield and defense.

    F F

    LM AM RM

    DM

    LB ST RB

    SW

    It's what my kids have used for most of their lives and it's what the Varsity uses also(I coach JV). I'm starting to teach them about tactics now, such as a more defensive formation:

    F F

    LM RM
    DM DM

    LB ST RB
    SW

    and a more offensive formation:

    F F
    CF
    LM RM
    CM CM

    LB RB
    SW

    but these are just variations of the 442, which they're comfortable with.
     
  11. EFCCoach

    EFCCoach New Member

    Nov 5, 2002
    Bellevue, WA
    I like using a 3-4-3 formation with the girls teams I coach. Working with U11-U14 age groups primarily this formation allows a natural balance of players across the field with a lot of opportunities for 1v1. This encourages the players to use their footwork to solve problems. Also with the girls I have found it necessary to have three forwards in order to frame the goal. Working with only three defenders can be a problem at times so occassionally the DM has to play more like a stopper.
     
  12. str8ruckus

    str8ruckus New Member

    Sep 10, 2001
    Phoenix, Az US
    4-2-2-1-2

    ---------x---------
    x----x-----x----x
    ------x---x-------
    --x------------x--
    --------x---------
    ----x-------x-----
     
  13. str8ruckus

    str8ruckus New Member

    Sep 10, 2001
    Phoenix, Az US
    or 4-1-3-1-2

    -------x--------
    -x---x---x---x-
    -------x--------
    --x----x----x--
    -------x--------
    ----x-----x----
     
  14. IASocFan

    IASocFan Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2000
    IOWA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good plan; I also find playing 12 v. 11 gives some additional advantage. Beware, though, some refs can count. ;)
     
  15. str8ruckus

    str8ruckus New Member

    Sep 10, 2001
    Phoenix, Az US
  16. str8ruckus

    str8ruckus New Member

    Sep 10, 2001
    Phoenix, Az US
    Ok, how bout 4-1-2-1-2

    -------x--------
    -x---x---x---x-
    -------x--------
    ---x--------x---
    -------x--------
    -----x---x------
     
  17. EFCCoach

    EFCCoach New Member

    Nov 5, 2002
    Bellevue, WA
    So what types of players are you using as your forwards and attacking mids. This appears to be a very defensive formation. Are the mids or the forwards tasked with creating width in the attack?
     
  18. SankaCofie

    SankaCofie Member

    Aug 8, 2000
    Skorgolia
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    best formation: 4-4-2 where the wide mids' and defenders all go forward a la roberto carlos ulises de la cruz tony sanneh and one holding mid and one defensive midfield player.
     

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