I very rarely, if ever post in this OT area. But after having seen something as shocking as this, I'm making an exception and definitely have to post here. I'm extremely furious about this since this story broke out on Thursday night. It needs to get lot more national news coverage and even international coverage. We go around the world accusing other governments like China about human rights abuses (which shouldn't be condoned in any way). But look at the fascism in law enforcement right here. Watch these 2 videos from local news in Ohio and decide for yourselves. It maybe possible that youtube will flag them as inappropriate material, so need to confirm age over 18 years old. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWimXzEa9Xo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUdwawQ7HPY With the particular case, without knowing all the details (even if hypothetically the person involved had potentially committed a crime, which it doesn't look like was the case anyway), what happened should not have happened. As I said, this needs to get lot stronger and broader coverage - both nationally and internationally. Women in general need to be up in arms over something like this. Publicize what happened here, make more and more people aware of what can go on under the name of "law abidance". I will say men need to be up in arms too, it's a matter of our sisters' dignity here. There is no telling how rise of fascism will take place here. Also, I will strive not to mix anything political with this issue here. It's a very simple issue here - violation of woman's dignity, and in general violation of any basic human rights. It doesn't matter which side of the spectrum you are, liberal or conservative. This is a common sense issue. It would be better to avoid making any comments about any political parties or such here.
That's just horrible. I'm no rebel or anything but I do hate cops. I am surrounded by them at my job and they abuse their authority way more than they should. It's just sick. Those cops will get off easy, you just watch.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Strip_search_of_woman_by_sheriffs_0202.html WHAT!? She called for help and this is what happened because she showed her deceased sister's ID that she claims she keeps in her wallet as a memory? There are no words to decribe how absolutely disgusting this is. I hope her attorney pulverizes this Sherrif's department. I read it somewhere but can't find the link now but apparently they removed her clothes for "her own safety" because when asked if she felt as if she would hurt herself her answer was "now or ever?" She was raped. Can't help but make it political. This country is IN THE TOILET.
I don't blame you for feeling that way. The big question now is, when is this going to get attention in national media news - Morning today show, nightly news, CNN/MSNBC/whatever or even 60 Minutes type thing? Once that happens, all hell will break loose with outrage over this.
Another view ... She was involved in a fight She was belligerent with the cop at the scene She tried to mis-identify herself with her sisters ID She fought with the cop to get back that evidence She threatened to hurt herself during the booking She tried to resist a strip search She was out of control Something tells me that if it was one of us in the same situation with our cousin we wouldn't have ended up sitting naked in a jail cell all night. BTW. If the cops ask you if you have any sharp objects or if you ever wanted to hurt yourself - maybe is not the best answer. The courts are the best place to figure this out, TV3 is probably the worst.
For some reason last night I was unable to listen to any of the utube videos - I could only see it. Today I was able to fix my computer to listen to the utube. So what! There was NO reason to strip search this woman and then when they did, they did it illegally. This is the point. It happened to her - it could happen to me, my daughter, my teenage son's girlfriend, your wife, sister, our moms. And so what would the best answer be? Tell them what they want to hear or what? First she was assaulted in a domestic dispute which we really know nothing about, then this woman was raped by the very people who were suppossed to help her in that dispute. I firmly BELEIVE with all my heart the story about her sister's driver's license. She was treated like an animal. There should be NO devil's advocate in this case. She was raped.
In that local newscast the anchor people said themselves that this was a "hard story" to report. I think people would rather not have to deal with the realities of what is "hard" and keep the wool pulled securely over their heads. The wool is easier and can be applied to everything from human rights in this country to the war in Iraq to corporate welfare to the cluster ef that is healthcare to the abuse of power as is so aptly illustrated in this woman's case.
People who saw all that shouldn't carry guns and badges. They're not supposed to be hypersensitive, reactionary dictators.
All he's saying is that when it comes to criticizing the police, it's best to trust police reports, sworn witness accounts, IA investigations, and independent investigations. I know most of you would be more comfortable with the last one, but ANY of it is better than watching it on TV.
Just from watching that video, no matter if what the deputies did was right or wrong (and although I'll keep an open mind, I can't see a situation in which it would be right), it was a horrible incident that should make people sick. Even if it was completely lawful, it's still disturbing.
I didn't think it was that bad. I only watched it once and I watched the cops looking for them to do something wrong. I didn't see anything. Make the assumption that the woman had to be stripped searched and that she refused to comply. This seamed to be a pretty good and safe forced stripped search. The two male cops overpowered her so she couldn't hurt anyone and the females did the searching. On the video it even appeared that the males were trying to look away. They even had her upper body on a mattress. To me, as ugly as it was, it looked pretty professional. I haven't seen any forced strip searches, but if not like this, what do you think it should look like? Did she have to be stripped searched? Probably. They can't put her in a cell if she indicates that she might have a sharp object and she might hurt herself. She told them that she might hurt herself! If after that really stupid answer they put her in her cell and later she's found hanging from the light fixture with her bra strap around her neck the cops are libel. She forced them to strip search her. At that point she doesn't get to decline or opt out. She apparently resisted so they forced it. You can't do that - we all know that right? Bros ... Bros ... Don't Tase me now. She should sue. I don't necessarily trust the police. A judge should figure this out.
So not only do you have to hate on everything, you have play devil's advocate to things everyone else hates? Give it a rest. P.S. The guy holding her arms kept looking at her ass.
Well Gosh! It is a discussion forum and I'm not playing devil's advocate. It's my honest interpretation of my one time viewing of that news story, really. And I'm not a hater. The only thing I really hate is dishonesty.
While I agree that a sensational television news bit should not substitute for a legitimate trial, to me you come off more as an apologist than a skeptic.
I saw a skeptic. He was merely presenting another possible scenario, not agreeing with the cops or anything. I'll tell you one thing: Even though I don't know the Stark Naked County Sheriff's Department's policies, I do know that regardless of policy, this would NEVER happen in the Bay Area. Shit would go off. Officers here are a lot more careful than that.
Are you sure about that? Never say never. In fact, as economy gets worse, standards and training for law enforcement go lax, I can very well imagine it happening right here. Of course, the outcry and activism here "after the fact" would be lot higher than in Ohio. But don't assume we're living in some kind of isolated cultural island of fairness, just because. Speaking of outcry and activism, what is wrong with this country in which crap about Britney Spears and Paris Hilton makes headlines on national (cable) news, but this stuff doesn't? Wait, never mind. I think I know the answer. Let me head over to my local Walmart and buy 5 jackets I don't really need, put them on an already maxed out credit card I know I can't pay off, stop by at the McDonalds to pick up a "value meal" and get home just in time for American Idol to start. That will raise my consciousness and make me well aware of what is going on in the society.
No matter what, no male should be present in a room in which a body search is conducted on a female suspect. That is the point.
I could conceive of a situation where the woman's comfort would have to be sacrificed for safety, but that was probably not it.
so it's not safe for sko16 to assume that this kind of law enforcement would never happen in the bay area, but it's okay for you to assume that the outcry and activism here "after the fact" would be a lot higher than in Ohio? I've never been to Ohio...Do they not care about human rights?
I haven't been to Ohio either. All I know is that, if this kind of crap happened here (And it is very conceivable that it could, I can't think of why it couldn't. If more people with military background get recruited into police force.), it is very unlikely the story would remain hidden for days with a local news station as "exclusive". There would be lot more noise on lot more stations about it in Bay area.
So let's think about it this way: There are details missing. Why would the cops, the most oversensitive people on the earth, let someone video tape a 'strip search'? And why would any cop in their right mind strip search someone who said something sarcastically. Hmmm.