Fascism in American police force and violation of women's dignity

I guess I don't understand your point.

I don't see any law defending what happened on that video. In fact, it seems that the police involved in that are in a lot of trouble.

Is there something you're leaving out? Are you proposing some change in the law? Are you proposing removing from police some power they currently have?

 

not quite the same, but it reminded me of this story the other day
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/7206570.stm

I get the feeling that in both cases those involved were following procedures, but those procedures weren't designed with the innocent in mind.

 

These kind of incidents happened pretty regularly in NYC when Giuliani was mayor ("Giuliani Time"). Another reason I'm glad he's going back to whoring himself out to the highest bidder.

 

You post to a discussion board, but don't want to hear comments?

That's not likely to happen very often.



Edit:

Here's a wkyc news story about this:

http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=82447

It seems that there's a civil case against the police, but no criminal case or investigation is mentioned. I would think after the release of this video, there will probably be an investigation at least.

 

One of the most disturbing videos I've ever seen.

 

OK. I did find one source defending the police involved; a forum for police officers. Their main complaint was that the video was edited to show only the woman's side.

I prefer to let justice take its course. Although since you made us aware of this, I would be interested to see the outcome of any criminal investigation. If this incident is worthy of a lawsuit, it should be worthy of criminal charges, too. My guess is that now that the video is out, there will be pressure to re-investigate this incident. We'll see.

 

I don't give a flying f**k what she's charged with. Men should not be performing strip searches on women. Period. They're lucky she isn't my wife.

 

Precisely.

I hope those rapists burn in hell.

 

Wow, I'm not so sure I'd go so far as to call them rapists, nor would I use such strong language as to hope they burn in hell.

For all we know, she really did make a comment that led the officers to believe she was a threat to either herself or others. In which case they were correct in performing the search.

Now, maybe they felt as though she posed such a threat that they could just go ahead and forgo policy and use male officers to restrain her while females performed the search. Maybe they thought by video taping it they could show that they were doing nothing inappropriate.

Now, clearly if this is what happened they are still wrong and clearly, in my opinion, these officers need to be punished for this. Fact of the matter is, neither one of us knows what really happened, so to declare them saints is stupid and brand them as rapists and declare that they should burn in hell for their actions is just insane.

 

Then I am insane.

They were incorrect in the manner in which they conducted that search whether it was warranted or not. Period.

 

Yes, and I agree with you on that. (the incorrect in their methods part)

What I'm saying is the words "rapist" and "burn in hell" are really strong words. Especially when, for all you know, they were trying to keep her from hurting herself.

 

She seemed pretty calm until they started stripping her clothes off. As calm as someone should be who's been attacked and then arrested.

 

Calm people kill themselves all the time.

Look, I'm not defending the officer's actions, nor am I going to condem them as rapists as I have no idea what really happened. All you see in the video is the actual search. You don't see anything that led up to the search.

 

For someone not trying to defend what they did, her conduct prior to the strip search is immaterial, and cops actions therefore requires no further explanation. This issues is as black and white as it gets. The cops were flat out wrong. Period.

And to guess she was suicidal for calling the police following an assault is a leap of monumental proportions. People intent on suicide tend not to call the cops for help. They just do it.

 

Oh my damn, I'm going to slam my head against the wall.

How many times do I have to say that what they did is wrong?

I'm not saying it wasn't wrong!!!!!!!!!

What I'm saying is that even the wrong thing can be done for the right reasons sometimes. When you go to jail, you will often be asked if you have ever tried to hurt yourself. If you answer yes, or evade answering the question, the officers are going to do whatever they need to do to make sure you can't hurt yourself. This included making sure you don't have anything on you with which to do it. If no one ever killed themselves after being arrested they wouldn't need to ask this question.

Yes, they were wrong. What I was responding to was the assinine comment that they are rapists and should burn in hell. For all we know they were doing what they thought needed to be done to insure she wouldn't be able to hurt herself. Still wrong, still deserves to be punished, but not quite "rapist who should burn in hell" territory.

 

Maybe they were just following orders?

 

Again, no explanation required. Say they're wrong. Full stop. That's it. There IS no explanation. You're trying to understand the incomprehensible.

 

Do you not understand, however, that life isn't black and white? That it is possible for people to do something stupid and wrong thinking they were doing the right thing?

You're not the one who made the burn in hell rapist comment, so I wasn't even originally addressing you.

 

I know. I'm still mystified you're trying to find unstanding in their actions. This case is as black and white as they come. Acknowledging that doesn't in any way indicated that life in many respects isn't cluttered with gray.

 

http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=397806&categoryID=9

It doesn't sound like the cops were performing a search. They took her clothes away so that she couldn't commit suicide.

Then convicted.

That's why we don't have trials on youtube or the TV news. Frankly, I'm suspicious about her motives and why she and her attorney are releasing the video in the midst of a civil lawsuit seeking money damages. The incident happened in October 2006. If she was so worried about the public interest, wouldn't she have gone to the news right away?

It would surprise me if the sheriff was doing things properly by the book- if so, I think those protocols need to be changed. Without knowing more about the subject or the specific facts, however, I'll reserve judgment on whether their actions were morally or legally wrong.

 

Rape without penetration? Please... Cops do way more fascist shit every day somewhere around the country. I can believe the dickhead giving her shit about the DL and taking her in after she was argumentative. Why would she respond, "now, or ever," when they asked her if she had any sharp weapons. She should realize cops might abuse their power if she gives them a chance. People are posting on youtube about her having post-traumatic stress and that whole jazz. So annoying. If she has it, then so should all the boys and girls born before the mid 80's who were forced to shower after gym class.