Famed spy novelist John le Carré lashes out at Bush

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  1. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

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    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,482-543296,00.html

    "The reaction to 9/11 is beyond anything Osama bin Laden could have hoped for in his nastiest dreams.

    How Bush and his junta succeeded in deflecting America’s anger from bin Laden to Saddam Hussein is one of the great public relations conjuring tricks of history. But they swung it."
     
  2. CrewDust

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    Why should I care about what some novelist thinks? Typical ramblings about how Bush and Americans will destroy the world.

    Not saying that I don't find this article entertaining.
     
  3. superdave

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    He's a little more than "some novelist." He used to work for the M5 or M6 or somesuch. FWIW.

    I would also point out that you've engaged wholly in an ad hominem attack, without any engagement of his thoughts.
     
  4. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

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    He's the most famous novelist on the subject of international politics in the world.

    It appears I was too flippant in calling him a "spy novelist." I really thoughy everybody would know who he is.
     
  5. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

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    And contrary to what Superdave said, he did not work for either the motorway linking Rugby with Carlisle, or indeed the one linking Birmingham with the London Orbital. He did, however, work for MI6, Britain's equivalent of the CIA.
     
  6. superdave

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    Hey, I was only off by one letter. ;)
     
  7. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

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    Or 120 miles of asphalt. :D
     
  8. TheWakeUpBomb

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    With our freedoms being "systematically eroded", it's a real wonder that government authorities haven't worked to block all internet users in the United States from accessing his column. One wonders how Robert Fisk was able to complete his recent lecture tour given the stifling of dissent in our beloved country.
     
  9. Smiley321

    Smiley321 Member

    Apr 21, 2002
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    My moniker will remain as my favorite fictional character, damn the torpedoes
     
  10. dawgpound2

    dawgpound2 Member

    Mar 3, 2001
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    Call me when Chuck Barris dissents.
     
  11. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    dawg...is it even possible for you to discuss ideas and not personalities???
     
  12. Ian McCracken

    Ian McCracken Member

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    And we should care what this anti-Semite thinks because...?
     
  13. Garcia

    Garcia Member

    Dec 14, 1999
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    Oooooh, ze plot thickens.
     
  14. amerifolklegend

    Jul 21, 1999
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    This may be true, but I believe his frenchedness negates all that.
     
  15. Sardinia

    Sardinia New Member

    Oct 1, 2002
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    Thank you GringoTex, great article by a great writer.

    (...)

    God also has pretty scary connections. In America, where all men are equal in His sight, if not in one another’s,

    the Bush family numbers
    one President,
    one ex-President,
    one ex-head of the CIA,
    the Governor of Florida
    the ex-Governor of Texas.


    Care for a few pointers?

    George W. Bush,

    1978-84: senior executive, Arbusto Energy/Bush Exploration, an oil company;

    1986-90: senior executive of the Harken oil company.

    Dick Cheney,

    1995-2000: chief executive of the Halliburton oil company.

    Condoleezza Rice,

    1991-2000: senior executive with the Chevron oil company, which named an oil tanker after her.

    But none of these trifling associations affects the integrity of God’s work.

    (...)
     
  16. Sardinia

    Sardinia New Member

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    :lol:
     
  17. Mefisto

    Mefisto Member

    Feb 13, 2002
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    Only Henry Kissinger is allowed to dismiss critiques as anti-semites
     
  18. dawgpound2

    dawgpound2 Member

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    Is it possible for you to crack even a bit of a smile? Joking, super.

    I genuinely don't happen to care what John Le Carre' has to say about it.
     
  19. superdave

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    You care enough to dismiss him with an ad hominem attack.
     
  20. dawgpound2

    dawgpound2 Member

    Mar 3, 2001
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    Man, you gotta relax.
     
  21. Garcia

    Garcia Member

    Dec 14, 1999
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    Works for you.
     
  22. MikeLastort2

    MikeLastort2 Member

    Mar 28, 2002
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    C'mon man, the Chuck Barris comment was pretty funny.
     
  23. Ian McCracken

    Ian McCracken Member

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    Hey, I'm just repeating what Salman Rushdie and Christopher Hitchens think about Le Carre.
     
  24. GringoTex

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    Did Hitchens really call him an anti-semite?

    The pissing match letter exchange between Le Carre and Rushdie was classic.
     
  25. Bluecat82

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