FA Favoratism????

Discussion in 'Manchester United' started by Nicky Butt, Oct 24, 2004.

  1. Nicky Butt

    Nicky Butt New Member

    Jan 21, 2004
    Rumor is Mutu will get only a 6 month suspension, and he tested POSITIVE for a banned substance!

    Rio gets 8 months for missing the test, and then tests negative within 48 hours.

    What a F------G joke! The FA sucks!
     
  2. achyx

    achyx New Member

    Apr 16, 2004
    UK
    possibly it has something to do with the fact that he came clean as well as coke not being a performance-enhancing drug. still its pretty stupid that he got less than rio.. G A Y G A Y G A Y G A Y!
     
  3. prk166

    prk166 BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 8, 2000
    Med City
    I wasn't happy with Rio's suspension. He missed the test but took it the next day and was clear, IIRC. I never saw anyone making a good case that those 24 hours could've helped him clear anything out of his system.

    But that was a different matter. Mutu wasn't doing anything to enhance his performance. He was taking some illegal drug. Maybe coke, maybe something else. BUt nothing that would improve his performance.
     
  4. tscboys

    tscboys Member+

    Sep 7, 2004
    Tulsa
    if Mutu doesn't get atleast a year, then obviously there is some jacked up SHIOT going on in the FA...the thing is, the fa doesn't even wanna give him 6 months, that's fifa...who demanded the 8 month ban on Rio
     
  5. mad theory

    mad theory New Member

    May 10, 2004
    London
    Supposedly he's been taking viagra.
     
  6. tscboys

    tscboys Member+

    Sep 7, 2004
    Tulsa
    I thought Viagra was for old people who couldn't erouse themselves??
     
  7. Paddy31

    Paddy31 Member

    Aug 27, 2004
    Pukekohe, NZ
    Couple of points:

    Rumour is exactly that. Until the sentence is passed you should hold your horses.

    Several "recreational" drugs are undetectable in a urine sample after a short period. After one-off Cannabis use, testing will be positive for a period of 5 to 7 days. MDMA (Ecstasy) is detectable in human urine for up to 3 days after use. Cocaine derivatives last for between 1 and 5 days. So I think an extra 24 hours is important.

    Furthermore, isn't the suspicion that Mutu took Cocaine to enhance his sexual performance? Viagra is not on the banned list and so would not be an issue.

    Incidentally, Cocaine is considered a perfomance enhancing drug as it affects the physiology in a very aggressive way, increasing blood flow and heart rate for starters.

    If Ferdinand had been an athlete and missed the test, he would have faced a minimum ban of 2 years. I think the leniency shown to him and several Italian based stars (eg Davids, Couto, Stam), shows that soccer has little interest in punishing drug cheats.

    For what its worth, I believe Mutu will recieve a short ban (12 months).
     
  8. mad theory

    mad theory New Member

    May 10, 2004
    London
    He said in a interview he was using a substance to improve his sex-life..
     
  9. Prawn Sandwich

    Oct 1, 2003
    Bhutan
    I believe Rio took the test on his hair (follicle?) which would have shown up any drug use at all over a significant period of time.

    So no, the extra 24 hours wouldn't have mattered at all
     
  10. prk166

    prk166 BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 8, 2000
    Med City
    Really? I've never heard cocaine considered performance enhancing before.
     
  11. bigp

    bigp New Member

    Mar 8, 2004
    TDOT
    Well think of it this way. If Rio was not punished harshly for missing a drugs test than you would see A LOT of players conveniently missing drug tests. If Rio got like 2 months for missing the test you can bet on Mutu doing the same thing instead of admitting to using drugs.
     
  12. Prawn Sandwich

    Oct 1, 2003
    Bhutan
    That's not the point - how can you give a lesser penalty to someone who actually tests positive?

    The only real way to enforce the tests and make the penalties fair is to have an equal suspension for a non-test as a positive. Problem with this though is that it would remove the ability to distinguish between performance enhancing and social drugs (a spliff resulting in the same suspension as a positive for EPO)

    Tough call all round but I think the current system is wrong...
     
  13. Paddy31

    Paddy31 Member

    Aug 27, 2004
    Pukekohe, NZ
    The behavioral and physiological effects of intranasally administered cocaine (placebo, 48, 96 mg/70 kg) were examined in eight recreational cocaine users under controlled laboratory conditions. The 48 and 96 mg doses of cocaine significantly improved subjects' performance on the Digit Symbol Substitution Test above levels observed either prior to drug administration or when placebo was administered. These effects were discernible for up to 120 min after cocaine administration. Cocaine had no statistically significant effects on learning and performance of ten-response sequences. The 48 and 96 mg doses increased heart rate and blood pressure for up to 180 min, and increased subject ratings of drug effects and decreased skin temperature for 60-90 min after drug administration. Cocaine produced no significant effects on the electrocardiogram. To our knowledge, this is the first experimental demonstration that acutely administered cocaine can improve behavioral performance in rested subjects. In addition, the duration of cardiac effects in this study was longer than previously reported with intranasal cocaine, perhaps due to the concurrent behavioral testing.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2096405&dopt=Abstract
     
  14. Paddy31

    Paddy31 Member

    Aug 27, 2004
    Pukekohe, NZ
    Rio took a urine test. The FA does not conduct follicle or hair testing.

    Hair testing is considered unreliable in a court of law and cannot be used in test circumstances.
    http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/testing/testing_info2.shtml
     
  15. Paddy31

    Paddy31 Member

    Aug 27, 2004
    Pukekohe, NZ
    I agree totally. A missed test must be considered a failed test else the process becomes farcical. And marijuana is on the IOC and WADA list of banned substances, (along with caffiene and clembuterol - an asthma medicine). If soccer takes testing seriously we must take on board all the rules.
     
  16. jammybastard

    jammybastard Member

    Oct 7, 2003
    Flyoverland
    While it's not the same as a drug ban, remember the YEAR Cantona got for that kick?
    Ferguson has said many times since that the biggest mistake Man U ever made in Cantona's case was listening to the FA. My guess is that he feels the same about Rio's too.

    Mutu should be out of the EPL.
    Full stop.
     

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