extention of jobless benefits lost by a single vote

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  1. Letterman

    Letterman New Member

    May 3, 2004
    Upstate NY
    #1 Letterman, May 12, 2004
    extend jobless benefits lost by a single vote

    A push by Senate Democrats to extend jobless benefits lost by a single vote yesterday - as their nominee-to-be, John Kerry missed the vote while campaigning in Kentucky.
    Kerry, the only senator to miss the vote, said he didn't come back to Washington because "we were told that no matter what would happen, [the Republicans] would change a vote in the Senate and they were not going to let it happen."
    They must have worked a few hours coming up with that reasoning. Nice job.

    Last month, John Kerry was pushing for the extension of unemployment benefits. Today, he had the chance to actually vote on that question.
     
  2. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

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    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    #2 nicephoras, May 12, 2004
    Re: extend jobless benefits lost by a single vote

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Senatorial ties settled by the Vice President? Who is a Republican? A tie in the Senate is like going out of the CL on the away goals rule after two draws.
     
  3. Richie

    Richie Red Card

    May 6, 1999
    Brooklyn, NY, United
    #3 Richie, May 12, 2004
    Re: extend jobless benefits lost by a single vote

    I read this to. Don't they allow you to vote by proxy? If not they should why would you have to vote in person you can't designate someone to vote for you?
     
  4. zverskiy yobar

    zverskiy yobar BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Mar 10, 2002
    #4 zverskiy yobar, May 12, 2004
    Re: extend jobless benefits lost by a single vote

    which proves the point that many conservatives have been saying.The man is not only wishy washy but he is full of crap.If he was truely concerned about the "jobless situation" in the US he wouldnt have relied on the GOP.
    I mean c'mon.. just a few months ago he called them all a bunch of liars and crooks.Now he suddenly trusts them to vote his way?
    No, he just knows the media will do as McAuliffe and his mobsters say and overlook this.The "liberals" will forgive him and overlook yet another inconsistency in his character.
     
  5. csc7

    csc7 New Member

    Jul 3, 2002
    DC
    #5 csc7, May 12, 2004
    Re: extend jobless benefits lost by a single vote

    would you mind being coherent?
     
  6. verybdog

    verybdog New Member

    Jun 29, 2001
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    #6 verybdog, May 12, 2004
    Re: extend jobless benefits lost by a single vote

    Why blame Kerry?

    Republicans the mean people just don't care. And they are in control of the congress now. They would rather spend the money on war.

    Again, we see their true color.
     
  7. Dante

    Dante Moderator
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    #7 Dante, May 12, 2004
    Re: extend jobless benefits lost by a single vote

    But imagine had Kerry shown up and voted for it, then Cheney would have cast the deciding vote. Kerry could have used that in the campaign, claiming that he's a champion of the little man and voted for them while showing the Bush admin to be against them and the extension of benefits. It could have been a good case against Bush.
     
  8. oman

    oman Member

    Jan 7, 2000
    South of Frisconsin
    #8 oman, May 12, 2004
    Re: extend jobless benefits lost by a single vote

    Ignore the yob.
     
  9. oman

    oman Member

    Jan 7, 2000
    South of Frisconsin
    #9 oman, May 12, 2004
    Re: extend jobless benefits lost by a single vote

    And the Republicans would have said it was all showboating. So what's the point?
     
  10. Letterman

    Letterman New Member

    May 3, 2004
    Upstate NY
    #10 Letterman, May 12, 2004
    Re: extend jobless benefits lost by a single vote

    So then in your opinion by doing nothing he is doing the best he can then?
     
  11. zverskiy yobar

    zverskiy yobar BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Mar 10, 2002
    #11 zverskiy yobar, May 12, 2004
    Re: extend jobless benefits lost by a single vote

    T'Voyu mat' Pizdet
     
  12. csc7

    csc7 New Member

    Jul 3, 2002
    DC
    #12 csc7, May 12, 2004
    Re: extend jobless benefits lost by a single vote

    just to provide some information on this subject, the vote was to wave Congressional Budget Authority (since this would have been new spending not previously accounted for in the budget). Such a motion requires 60 'yeahs' for approval. The motion got 59. President Cheney would not be needed for a tie-breaker on this vote.

    All Dems (except Kerry, not voting) voted in favor.

    R's voting for 'Yea' were:

    Bond (R-Missouri)
    Chafee (R-RI)
    Collins (R-Maine)
    DeWine (R-Ohio)
    Dole (R-NC)
    McCain (R-AZ)
    Murkowski (R-Alaska)
    Snowe (R-Maine)
    Smith (R-Oregon)
    Spector (R-Penn)
    Talent (R-Missouri)
    Voinovick (R-Ohio)

    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=2&vote=00088

    Interestingly, this same issue has been voted on in the Senate before,

    On July 10, 2003, a similar motion failed 48-48 (still required 60 to pass)

    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=1&vote=00269

    All the D's present voted in favor.

    From that previous list of R's only Spector and Snowe voted in favor, all others opposed the extension.

    On May 23, 2003, a similar vote occurred.

    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=1&vote=00199

    Miller (D-GA) opposed the legislation.

    From the first list of Republicans, only Spector supported the extension.

    On May 15, 2003, a similar vote occurred.

    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=1&vote=00152

    Once again, Miller was the only D to vote against the extension.

    This time, Campbell (R-Colorado) and Specter were the only R's to support.

    Given this record, I think it is relatively safe to say that several R's (in which you can only certainly exclude Specter) switched their vote to make it appear that Senator Kerry's failure to vote was the reason the extension failed. Talk about flip-flopping on an issue for political benefit!!
     
  13. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    #13 Matt in the Hat, May 12, 2004
    Re: extend jobless benefits lost by a single vote

    Ever hear of a trap?
     
  14. csc7

    csc7 New Member

    Jul 3, 2002
    DC
    #14 csc7, May 12, 2004
    Re: extend jobless benefits lost by a single vote


    thanks, at least i can use babel fish to understand that message
     
  15. TheWakeUpBomb

    TheWakeUpBomb Member

    Mar 2, 2000
    New York, NY
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    #15 TheWakeUpBomb, May 12, 2004
    Re: extend jobless benefits lost by a single vote

    I would like to know more about you. Are you a small child?
     
  16. oman

    oman Member

    Jan 7, 2000
    South of Frisconsin
    #16 oman, May 12, 2004
    Re: extend jobless benefits lost by a single vote

    No. I think that by weighing campaigning vs. making a symbolic vote he is doing the best he can to get the current empty suit out of office is doing the best he can.

    His reasoning for the decision is not only sound. It should be applauded by anyone who wants Bush out. Dante raised a good point about the symbolism. But that is a game day decision.
     
  17. oman

    oman Member

    Jan 7, 2000
    South of Frisconsin
    #17 oman, May 12, 2004
    Re: extend jobless benefits lost by a single vote

    Thanks csc. True colors as they say.
     
  18. Letterman

    Letterman New Member

    May 3, 2004
    Upstate NY
    #18 Letterman, May 12, 2004
    Re: extend jobless benefits lost by a single vote

    You talk about empty suit? It's time to sing a song:
    Hmmmmmmmm.
    Get your best Bob Dylan voice ready. (no really your best will do)

    How many votes must this man cast down
    Before you call him a man?
    Yes, 'n' how many times must he change his mind
    Before he decides what is right?
    Yes, 'n' how many times must the flip flops fly
    Before he learns how to stand?
    The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind,
    Mr. Kerry is blowin' in the wind.

    How many times must this man take a poll
    Before he can figure out why?
    Yes, 'n' how many ears must one man have
    Before he can hear people cry?
    Yes, 'n' how many deaths will it take till he knows
    He too must stand for those that have died?
    The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind,
    Mr. Kerry is blowin' in the wind.

    How many years can a mountain exist
    Before it's washed to the sea?
    Yes, 'n' how many years can some people exist
    Before they can really see?
    Yes, 'n' how many times can a man turn his head,
    Not knowing what to believe?
    The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind,
    Mr. Kerry is blowin' in the wind.
     
  19. csc7

    csc7 New Member

    Jul 3, 2002
    DC
    #19 csc7, May 12, 2004
    Re: extend jobless benefits lost by a single vote

    so, i guess its easier to alter a bob dylan song than it is to address my rebuttal?
     
  20. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
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    #20 FlashMan, May 12, 2004
    Re: extend jobless benefits lost by a single vote

    those are really stupid lyrics btw. i can just picture some republican ayehole staying up late to work them out. what a clown act.

    speaking of clown acts, kerry is an idiot. i can't believe i have to vote for that bozo.
     
  21. Letterman

    Letterman New Member

    May 3, 2004
    Upstate NY
    #21 Letterman, May 12, 2004
    Re: extend jobless benefits lost by a single vote

    Unplug from the machine . Get your own mind.
     
  22. Letterman

    Letterman New Member

    May 3, 2004
    Upstate NY
    #22 Letterman, May 12, 2004
    Re: extend jobless benefits lost by a single vote

    Rebuttle?
     
  23. Foosinho

    Foosinho New Member

    Jan 11, 1999
    New Albany, OH
    Club:
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    #23 Foosinho, May 12, 2004
    Re: extend jobless benefits lost by a single vote

    This guy is the low-rent version of Karl Keller. "Registered Democrat" my ass.

    *PLONK*
     
  24. Letterman

    Letterman New Member

    May 3, 2004
    Upstate NY
    #24 Letterman, May 12, 2004
    Re: extend jobless benefits lost by a single vote


    Hey now ... please refer to me as that guy.
    You people always do that.

    When I registered I guess they (those people) forgot to send me the instructions that I HAD to vote the party I registered. I call to see if I can get that notice. I wouldn't want to go against the party. What would happen to the world?
     
  25. csc7

    csc7 New Member

    Jul 3, 2002
    DC
    #25 csc7, May 12, 2004
    Re: extend jobless benefits lost by a single vote

    now i'm just confused...that wasn't spelling smack was it?
     
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