Expansion team in Chicago?

Discussion in 'Chicago Fire' started by HalaMadrid, Apr 15, 2004.

  1. HalaMadrid

    HalaMadrid Member

    Apr 9, 1999
    From today's Denver Post, where they comment on Don Garber's comments at the season kickoff luncheon:

    http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~94~2084328,00.html

     
  2. genpabloescobar

    Feb 17, 2002
    I'm guessing this is the crabs-like rumor about America following Chivas's suit and bringing a team here.

    Again, that's a guess.
     
  3. Yeah - this isn't the first time I've seen a rumor here about another team in Chicago.

    Personally, I think it's a bad idea, especially when MLS is already only in 10 cities. But, the Fire have such strong support, it's hard to imagine another team moving in and building any decent fan base.

    I mean, a new MLS team could move in down the block, and train in my back yard, and I'd root for them with the passion I reserve for Dallas, LA, and the Metros....

    I'd really be shocked if there were anything to this.
     
  4. ratdog

    ratdog Member+

    Mar 22, 2004
    In the doghouse
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh great, just what we'd need, Anglo and Mexican teams in MLS. What will be MLS's motto: "Dividing ethnic groups through soccer"? Yes, MLS needs money, but I'd prefer to stay as far away from becoming the MFL's little sister as is humanly possible.

    And haven't they learned by now that ethnic marketing doesn't work, particularly among immigrant groups who can watch all the games from their "old country" on TV and who therefore have no great reason to switch their allegiance? Why don't they start a team made up of 11 year-olds to capture the huge soccer-playing youth market while they're at it? :rolleyes:
     
  5. genpabloescobar

    Feb 17, 2002
    Because the Burn players will commit seppku when they lose to the 11 year-olds?
     
  6. HalaMadrid

    HalaMadrid Member

    Apr 9, 1999
    I dunno. A new team could come in and create a new fan base if its market were a lot different thn the Fire's. I really don't think it's a bad idea or one that should immediately be dismissed.

    There are a lot of benefits to having two teams in a city too...
     
  7. ratdog

    ratdog Member+

    Mar 22, 2004
    In the doghouse
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll start calling all my Hungarian friends.

    Seriously, who would that "different" market be right now in Chicago? What 20,000-strong group would come to the Fire who refuse to go to Fire games now?

    Yeah, when your sport is popular enough to support two teams. My beef was more with the idea of starting an "ethnic" team than with the idea of two teams in one city.
     
  8. ratdog

    ratdog Member+

    Mar 22, 2004
    In the doghouse
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That would actually make it more grounded in reality than most expansion stories.
     
  9. CUS

    CUS New Member

    Apr 20, 2000
    I will root for Club America Chicago with the same passion and emotion I have for the White Sox. ;)
     
  10. ratdog

    ratdog Member+

    Mar 22, 2004
    In the doghouse
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was being facetious to slam both the story and the forum.
     
  11. HalaMadrid

    HalaMadrid Member

    Apr 9, 1999
    Wouldn't have to be 20k, but I think there are enough to support two teams in a small stadium with good revenue control.

    I'm serious. I'm not saying we can have 8 teams in the Chicago metro area but if done well we could have two. Shoot who even cares if the other one is run well, it'd just make us look better. :p

    I just don't think it's something to be so easily dismissed.
     
  12. mactheknife

    mactheknife New Member

    Aug 2, 2002
    Baton Rouge, LA
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    SECRETS AND LIES
     
  13. ratdog

    ratdog Member+

    Mar 22, 2004
    In the doghouse
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When the Fire start averaging 20K or, better, yet, when games like our recent CCC match draw 20K, then I'll start believing that Chicago or any other MLS city can support two MLS teams. Until then, no offense, but I'm dismissing this idea.
     
  14. genpabloescobar

    Feb 17, 2002
    Think of the road trips though!
     
  15. HalaMadrid

    HalaMadrid Member

    Apr 9, 1999
    I don't think you can stand on that argument however. As great a job ss the fire do, there are soccer fans in Chicago who don't watch the Fire. For whatever reason, it doesn't appeal to them. That's a fact.

    I think it would have to be done the right way, but a second team could find a market as it stands now. I'm not sying they'd be gangbusters off the bat, but a city rivalry tends to help these things.

    If nothing else we could maim and scourge all the defectors! :)
     
  16. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    I've often advocated for a second Chicago team, but I doubt it'll happen soon. It could be a lot of fun though.
     
  17. ratdog

    ratdog Member+

    Mar 22, 2004
    In the doghouse
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's all well and good but who are these fans? Why would they go see one MLS when they've spent six year resolutely ignoring the current one?
     
  18. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    Right now the goal for MLS should be to have it's teams drawing a 20k (Ok, 9k for Dallas) average instead of having multiple teams in the same market drawing a 10k average. Solidifying the current teams further and building a larger foundation across the country is the best way, not oversaturating markets that already support a team...even if it is the best one. :)
     
  19. oman

    oman Member

    Jan 7, 2000
    South of Frisconsin
    I'll take off my burn glasses for a minute and say I think its a great idea. Chicago has some good passionate fans. If you were to tell me would I rather have one team getting a consistent 20K or two teams in the same area getting 10K a piece "at this stage of the league" I would say give me the two teams.

    With the Dallas Burn moving to the far suburbs, I would love a team to eventually move back to Dallas. I dono't know the Chicagoland area, but I can't think of anything better than an inter-area rivalry than between the city guys and the suburban guys.

    You guys have the White Sox and the Cubs. Why the hell not?

    I think phase two should be four more teams in four other relatively big markets. But phase three should be to expirament with the cross town rivalries.
     
  20. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    I'm for the idea of two teams in a city, just not yet. The Cubs and the Sox were early cross-town rivals, but it was a different economic time. Within the next decade if MLS can continue to grow, then two-team cities will become a reality.
     
  21. Catfish

    Catfish Member

    Oct 1, 2002
    Chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    For the love of God, if the MLS are going to expand do it in other cities. Houston, Philly, Seattle and so on. Let other cities have a team to support...spread the love around.

    So ends the lesson.
     
  22. JeffGMc

    JeffGMc Member

    Oct 14, 2000
    New York City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Why do I get the feeling Garber's idea of two teams in each MLS city revolves around every team just putting on their third jersey and playing twice as many games during the year...
     
  23. zverskiy yobar

    zverskiy yobar BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Mar 10, 2002
    why?
    give me an honest reason why MLS should go to a city simply based on the fact they dont have a team.I personally agree with Liam that Chicago could support another Div. 1 side;if the they played at the right place and had strong management.

    with the Fire eventually playing in Bridgeport ;a team located in the rapidly expanding NW/FW suburbs could do really well.The Fox valley region alone is on pace to surpass many MLB cities in population.It is also a very diverse region home to a large hispanic population ,scores of youth teams, a large and affluent middle class, and it is home to possible corporate sponsors.

    Elgin, although not a good fit for a stadium if there was only one team in the area.would be an excellent place to locate a second team.its very accesible from NW cook,McHenry, Lake and Kane counties.areas where some of the regions fastest growth is located .Within a twenty minute drive there are three towns of over 100,000 each (Elgin,Aurora,Schaumburg).I would guestimate that within that radius there is a population base in the ballpark of 750,000.

    I think a team in Elgin would draw fans other areas as well.it would give the Fire a run for their money the first couple of seasons when it comes to gate reciepts, but I think in the long run it would be only positive.There needs to be MORE opportunites for people to go out and see a Soccer game not less.

    If an investor steps up to the plate and proposes something of worth, I dont think the league should ignore it.Chicago is a Great sports city.And I think Soccer is much more popular and has alot more potential in the area then some people think.
     
  24. JeffGMc

    JeffGMc Member

    Oct 14, 2000
    New York City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Spot on. I don't think the league CAN ignore it either.
     
  25. Greddy

    Greddy Member

    Jun 24, 2003
    Chicago
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Catfish, Catfish, Catfish

    "the MLS" :(

    It's enough that we have to constantly remind the foreigners, but a Section 8'er :(

    Because of your track record, I'll let this one slide. But, just so you know, I expected better from you.
     

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