Expansion draft...

Discussion in 'New York Red Bulls' started by red&black1, Sep 30, 2003.

  1. red&black1

    red&black1 New Member

    Mar 8, 2003
    Kearny NJ
    Saw this in another forum... if the Chivas USA team is functioning next year, what players would u leave unprotected. Lets say that u would have to leave 5 instead of 10 palyers unprotected since its one expansion team and not two like in years past.
    Discuss....


    Regan
    Williams
    Arena(no brainer)
    Nugent
    Moreno
     
  2. patrickdavila

    patrickdavila Member

    Jan 13, 1999
    Easton, PA
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1. DiGi
    2. Arena
    3. Moreno
    4. Grafer
    5. LeBlanc

    I only listed 5 but here are some others:
    the 2 Argies, Ziadie, Regan

    Boderline:
    Leitch, Edgar, Williams (he's getting old), Nugent (I haven't seen him play but is he better than Magee, Woly or Jusko?)
     
  3. metroflip73

    metroflip73 Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    NYC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Grafer
    DiGi
    Leitch
    Ziadie
    Regan
    Williams
    LeBlanc
    Arena
    Moreno
     
  4. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
    NY, NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Moreno, Addo, Grafer, Regan, Arena. If Addo or Moreno retires, then Leitch and/or LeBlanc. Of those five, only Grafer would get a smell from any expansion team.

    Who's completely untouchable: Pope, Jolley, Clark, Magee, Gaven, and possibly Walker. That's about it. I would not be surprised in the least to see Mathis with Chivas USA next season, though it would be through some other trade deal instead of just putting him into the expansion draft.
     
  5. red&black1

    red&black1 New Member

    Mar 8, 2003
    Kearny NJ
    We lose Mathis at the end of the year regardless.. we have no say if he goes to Chivas or not unless we sign him again.

    The boca boys are loan deals so we cant place them on the list anyway cuz they dont belong to us.

    This is for the question regarding Nugent being better then Woly, Magee, and Jusko. If he was better then we would have seen him alot more if not starting, but he hasn't seen any regular season PT.

    I would also like to swap Nugent out for LeBlanc(forgot about him) on my list.
     
  6. kevbrunton

    kevbrunton New Member

    Feb 27, 2001
    Edwardsburg, MI
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I believe this is wrong. If Mathis resigns with MLS, he belongs to you guys. In order for him to end up with another MLS club, it'd be by something you guys did -- either make him available to the expansion draft or via a trade.

    It's not like he can just go sign with another MLS club -- he either signs with MLS or he can sign with another club overseas.
     
  7. jack921

    jack921 New Member

    Jul 10, 2000
    I think teams are going to have to leave more than 5 players unprotected. Otherwise, Chivas is getting very slim pickins.
     
  8. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
    NY, NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If he re-signs with MLS, Metro retain his rights. That's what "no free agency" means in MLS right now and is one of the things that the MLSPA is fighting for.

    We can do what in the NBA is called a "sign-and-trade", but MLS cannot just re-sign him and allocate him to Chivas.
     
  9. red&black1

    red&black1 New Member

    Mar 8, 2003
    Kearny NJ
    I stand corrected... i simply forgot the fact that we dont use a free agency system like in other sports.
     
  10. Metrosuccess

    Metrosuccess Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jusk-Slow
    Arena
    Williams
    Grafer
    Addo

    These guys listed would be a reach for any team to take and let us maintain who we want next season. No reason to submit anyone else to waivers as this should suffice. If any team such as chivas wants them , good luck.
     
  11. NJPsycho

    NJPsycho New Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Dirty Jerzee
    Moreno we may be stuck with him. Can a team trade an injured player in the off season?
     
  12. soccerfan

    soccerfan BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 13, 1999
    New Jersey
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    the only players i would protect are
    Ricardo Clark (P-40)
    Eddie Gaven (P-40
    Amado Guevara (SI)
    Steve Jolley
    Chris Leitch
    Mark Lisi
    Mike Magee (P-40)
    Clint Mathis ( then trade him for someone else )
    Eddie Pope
    Jonny Walker

    Mike Nugent (DP) ? he played against China, he seemed fast and skilfull, he scored in that game why Bradley doesn't give him a few minutes i will never know

    Everyone else on the team is replaceble, they stink, and some are to retire
     
  13. Metrosuccess

    Metrosuccess Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: Expansion draft...


    Maybe Jaime's contract is up> That would be ideal for all involved.
     
  14. Metroman12

    Metroman12 New Member

    Feb 5, 1999
    Baltimore
    I'm not quite sure why some people have listed Grafer as an unprotected option. I would say he's just about the best backup keeper in MLS and I don't know why we would be rid of someone who is decently skilled, quite popular, and from what I understand, fairly cheap.
     
  15. metroflip73

    metroflip73 Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    NYC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's not the best backup in MLS. To me, a backup goalie is almost good enough to start on a different team, e.g. Meola/Zack, Ammann/Howard, Howard/Countess. Grafer is not better than Countess.

    So let's take this expansion thing further, what happens after the draft, do the players we left unprotected but were unselected go back on our roster or something?
     
  16. soccerfan

    soccerfan BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 13, 1999
    New Jersey
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    the answer is yes,

    one team can only loose a limited number of players in an expansion draft, might be limited to 4 players per team . I think each team must give a list of 10 unprotected players.
     
  17. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
    NY, NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We retain their rights if we choose to do so. In 1997/98, our unprotected players were:

    Brian Bliss
    Braeden Cloutier
    Cristian da Silva
    Matt Knowles
    Manuel Lagos
    Andrew Lewis
    Joao Luiz
    Zach Thornton
    Jeff Zaun
    Kerry Zavagnin

    Thornton, Lagos, and Lewis were all taken in the draft. However, each time a player from a team was selected, that team had the opportunity to pull one player back from the unprotected list. So da Silva, Zaun, and Z-man were pulled back and all made the '98 roster. Bliss, Cloutier, Knowles, and Luiz were all left unprotected and subsequently cut.
     
  18. Sporting Fan

    Sporting Fan Member

    Oct 18, 2001
    OBIE, YOU ARE WRONG Kanobie, as Cloutier was loaned to indoor and then traded to San Jose. He was not cut.
     
  19. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
    NY, NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You resurrected a four-month-old thread for this? You have to be a Cloutier family member or Braeden himself.

    So tell me Braeden, what'd we get in return for you from SJ?
     
  20. In Bob We Trust

    In Bob We Trust New Member

    Jan 5, 2003
  21. ElMetrofan

    ElMetrofan New Member

    Jan 20, 1999
    SHAPE, Belgium
    First of all...Grafer is no longer a backup keeper. Stop talking about the argentines and the Just-o-slow guy. They are going to be cut from the roster soon.
     
  22. In Bob We Trust

    In Bob We Trust New Member

    Jan 5, 2003
    haha, spoken like a true bitter Metro 'fan'...those posts were from october, no one here (i hope) thinks Grafer is still on the squad...i am wondering though, it seems Garber is set on an expansion partner for Chivas, and if Cleveland doesnt get its SSS in a timely fashion, Rochester could become the other expansion team...anyone have any idea how Rochester would turn their current roster into one that could compete in MLS?...anyone think they could compete with fringe, unprotected expansion draft players, MLS-style allocations, and their current roster?...granted, Rochester may not even come into the league, but the draft didnt do much for my offseason appetite so i felt like throwin this out there..
     
  23. UncleLTrain

    UncleLTrain New Member

    May 19, 2002
    Moscow, Russia
    I'd like to see Rochester compete with its current squad. With allocations. Would be interesting.
     

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