Expansion Draft Losses by Minutes Played

Discussion in 'Statistics and Analysis' started by mpruitt, Nov 21, 2004.

  1. mpruitt

    mpruitt Member

    Feb 11, 2002
    E. Somerville
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    I'm cribbing this post that was done over in the Rev's forum by Coach Barry. I thought it was interesting enough to put in here as well. If not only for a point of refference.

     
  2. Mr Hanki's Throne

    Mr Hanki's Throne New Member

    Mar 13, 2001
    Wellington, Colo
    I'd be interesting to see the same analysis for 1998's expansion, and compare 1997 with 1998 records. Is there a substantial change or problems for the team or in the hurley-squirrely world of MLS does it not matter?
     
  3. scaryice

    scaryice Member

    Jan 25, 2001
    Chicago

    2230-D Danny Pena (Los Angeles)
    483-GK Kevin Hartman (Los Angeles)
    1216-M Manuel Lagos (MetroStars)
    1027-F/M Jason Farrell (Columbus)
    2240-M Jorge Salcedo (Columbus)
    197-GK Zach Thornton (MetroStars)
    2528-D Francis Okaroh (New England)
    0-M/D Diego Gutierrez (Kansas City)
    1421-D Andrew Lewis (MetroStars)
    540-D Brian Bates (Colorado)
    1835-F A.J. Wood (Columbus) (559 with Metros)
    0-F Steve Patterson (Colorado)

    Miami

    1790-D David Vaudreuil (D.C. United)
    2008-M John Maessner (D.C. United)
    910-M Kris Kelderman (D.C. United)
    1503-D Joey Martinez (Dallas)
    0-GK Jeff Cassar (Dallas)
    967-M Nelson Vargas (Tampa Bay)
    2296-D Cle Kooiman (Tampa Bay)
    1033-D Ramiro Corrales (San Jose)
    2760-D Matt Kmosko (Colorado)
    737-GK Scott Budnick (Tampa Bay)
    1588-D Wade Webber (Dallas)
    413-F Brian Taylor (Los Angeles)

    Minutes lost by team:

    CLB: 5102 (or 4543)
    DC: 4708
    TB: 4000
    COL: 3300
    LA: 3126
    DAL: 3091
    MET: 2834
    NE: 2528
    SJ: 1033
    KC: 0

    Point difference from 1997 to 1998:

    LA: 24
    DC: 9
    CLB: 6
    COL: 6
    MET: 4
    SJ: 3
    DAL: -5
    NE: -8
    TB: -11
    KC: -17

    Conclusion:

    The four teams that improved the most were in the top five for losing minutes. Interesting, and also great news for the Fire.
     
  4. ChrisE

    ChrisE Member

    Jul 1, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    Appreciate the work, scaryice, but I'm not really convinced.

    I don't think that you can just run down the expansion draft listing. The Galaxy, after all, didn't lose Danny Pena or Kevin Hartman, they lost Chris Armas and Jorge Campos. To really account for the effects, it would be necessary to have a more accurate listing.

    It's also unfair to look at changes in record without accounting to some degree for the strong regression towards the mean effect seen in the league.
     
  5. numerista

    numerista New Member

    Mar 21, 2004
    One thing that's curious is that the improvements by DC and LA swung away from the mean. Given that those teams were the preferred targets of that expansion draft, it is sort of intriguing.

    More generally, I wonder if there might be some way to measure "depth," and to see how it predicts future performance.
     
  6. scaryice

    scaryice Member

    Jan 25, 2001
    The fairest thing to do would be to go through each year of MLS, and determine at the start of each season which players haven't returned, and add up the minutes to get a percentage. Then you could compare it for each year for the whole history of the league. Of course that's a lot of work. But then you could see if the expansion year really changed anything.
     
  7. numerista

    numerista New Member

    Mar 21, 2004
    Interestingly, Chris has already done something quite similar to that.

    https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95790&page=1&pp=15
     

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