Expansion Draft for Montreal

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  1. Winoman

    Winoman Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De!

    Jul 26, 2000
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    http://www.dcunited.com/news/2011/10/mls-releases-details-of-2012-expansion-draft

    Current MLS clubs will be able to protect 11 players. Who do you think DC should protect?

    I would protect the following, assuming our DP has a no-trade clause:

    Branko Boskovic *
    Blake Brettschneider
    Austin da Luz
    Dwayne DeRosario
    Dejan Jakovic
    Chris Korb
    Brandon McDonald
    Chris Pontius
    Santino Quaranta
    Joe Willis
    Daniel Woolard


    * If Boskovic doesn't need to be protected, I would add Clyde Simms to replace him.
     
  2. Sharkbait

    Sharkbait Member

    Aug 9, 2003
    Cary NC
    Club:
    DC United
    So Najar and Hamid aren't available for the expansion draft. But I think the no-trade clause rule means that a DP with a no-trade clause has to be counted among your protected players. Is that correct, and does Boskovic's contract have a no-trade clause?
     
  3. nobletea

    nobletea Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 29, 2004
    HarCo
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here we go again.

    Boskovic was protected last year, so I think it's safe to assume he will have to be protected this year (unless we don't want him, but the club sounds like they do). And Goff stated the other day that Kitchen will graduate from GA so he will need to be protected. Here's the protected list from last year:

    PROTECTED
    D Dejan Jakovic, MF Branko Boskovic, MF-F Chris Pontius, D Marc Burch, D-MF Rodney Wallace, MF-F Santino Quaranta, MF Stephen King, MF-F Junior Carreiro, D Jed Zayner, MF Clyde Simms, D Julius James.

    Note that the only two players who weren't protected last year that are still with the club this year are McTavish and Barklage.

    I think this year's list will indicate we have more to protect, since most of last year's list is either gone, or probably won't be protected.

    EDIT for my list

    Boskovic (prob mandatory, but I would anyway)
    Brettschzzzz (the best of the lot of forwards/we have to start somewhere)
    Davies (for his rights only)
    DeRosario (obvious)
    Jakovic (best of the defenders, too tempting for a Canadian team)
    Kitchen (won't be GA, obvious)
    Korb (good guy, tempting pick up)
    McDonald (we will protect him)
    Pontius (obvious)
    Simms (for his trade value, tempting veteran player)
    da Luz (potential, tempting fill-in left sided player)

    On the bubble, first pulled back (is that how it works this year?)
    King (tempting role player)
    Woolard (tempting LB)
    Cronin (tempting experienced GK)

    The only reason I prize these guys is because they are more valuable than other players in their position and more likely to be taken then them.

    Players who are exempt from the draft:

    Hamid
    Najar
    White
    Shanosky

    Players I'm not worried about:

    Zayner - not likely to be selected due to injury and there's Korb
    Wolf - not going anywhere
    Willis - not likely and replaceable
    Quaranta - not likely
    Ngwenya - lololololololololz
    Morsink - don't care
    McTavish - not likely
    Burch - don't care
    Barklage - don't care/not likely

    I could see taking a gamble on exposing Boskovic if it's even possible. Coming on that long injury and a big salary hit along with it, it doesn't seem likely he'd be selected.

    If I were Montreal and I had to pick anyone from DC, any of the 3 bubble players are good picks in my book, depending on your needs.
     
  4. tmas

    tmas Member

    Dec 30, 2002
    Agree with your list, except I think da Luz/Quaranta might be a toss up. While Quaranta has a higher salary (and therefore less attractive), I assume Montreal knows about his issues with drugs/the danger of taking him away from DC/Baltimore. If they were cunning/nasty enough they could pick Quaranta with the knowledge that DC will probably trade them a fair amount for him back. Will it happen? Probably not, but this FO does have a history with the ridiculous trade for Dyachenko from a few years back.

    In a perfect world, your list makes the most sense. Thank God for homegrown status for Najar, Hamid, White, and Shanosky. I think there's only a 50/50 chance we'll have someone picked. Montreal can only pick 10 players, and there are 18 teams to choose from. I feel like our depth isn't good enough to automatically warranted someone from DCU getting nabbed.
     
  5. skippy

    skippy Member

    Nov 17, 1999
    Alexandria, Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Absolutely.
     
  6. nobletea

    nobletea Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 29, 2004
    HarCo
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agree. That's why I said if I had to pick a DC player, beacuse unless we do something very different than my list, there's not really anything to get excited about on the exposed list.

    And that's without the full list of available players in front of me from the other 18 teams.
     
  7. jason1551

    jason1551 Member+

    Apr 9, 2003
    Columbus, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    From my post in the "Offseason is Here" thread:

    For tits and giggles (and a further, depressing look at most of our roster), here's my first attempt at the expansion protection list:

    1. DeRosario
    2. MacDonald
    3. Pontius
    4. Jakovic*
    5. Woolard/Korb
    6. King
    7. Simms
    8. Kitchen (likely to graduate from GA)
    9. Boskovic*
    10. Quaranta
    11. Davies (to protect his rights?)

    * Internationals (must protect at least one less than total number of I's (up to 3 minimum if four or more are on roster))

    Homegrown (automatically protected): Najar, Hamid, White, Shanosky*

    *If either Najar and/or Hamid no longer qualify as homegrown, they take the spot of Woolard and either King or Davies.

    Notes on selections:

    -I'd try to trade Davies before the expansion draft. NE would be my first choice for trade partner, and I'd make a run at their #3 draft pick.
    -King gets protected because he's already signed for next year. I have to assume that's a vote of confidence on his behalf.
    -Woolard or Korb? Both are back-ups, so it's really a matter of choice. Zayner might be the pick here if he isn't still hurt.
    -No Brettschneider. Why? Because he's our third-choice forward, and those players are a dime a dozen in MLS. No sense wasting a protection spot on someone who may or may not be here next year.
     
  8. scruggs45

    scruggs45 Member

    Jun 25, 2003
    kp, va
    Who would everybody protect in the Front Office expansion draft?
     
  9. JayRockers!

    JayRockers! Member+

    Aug 4, 2001
    It's been said that Boskvic's contract is guaranteed through June. At what number? Half-a-mil prorated, or total?

    I wouldn't protect him unless it's required contractually or by the league rules. Let Montreal take an oft-injured player who can walk on a free in June. Fine by me.

    Thx,

    Jay!
     
  10. nobletea

    nobletea Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 29, 2004
    HarCo
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Has the league ever said anything about HG status expiring? That would seem kinda dumb to me. The only way that should expire is if the player leaves to play for another club and comes back. I think as long as they come out of your system, get HG status, and never leave, they should be HG status forever, and all rights and penalties therein.

    I like this idea. Forward to the club suggestion box.

    I agree it seems like the club really likes him for some reason, and my guess is mostly Benny. He's kinda a McTavish type, maybe a little better. Ultimately however, I find him to be fairly replaceable. At least more than others I protected on my list.

    Tough call. I think Zayner recent injury problems the last two years should scare them off. But I rate Korb higher than Woolard, and I think Montreal would too.

    It's reaosnable to sub Q for him, which you basically did. I'm just incilned to think he's more likely to be taken than Q, so I'd protect him. Yes he's pretty replaceable, but for a club with very few forward options going into next season, it would be just another player we have to take a gamble on if we lose him. He showed just enough to protect, in my opinion.

    I think the argument is immaterial because we'll have to do it, but I can see where you are coming from. My concern is that I have almost no faith in the FO to replace him, and I think he can help the team more than anyone else they will find. I think he's pretty unlikely to be picked per your rationale, but since I expect we have to do it, I included him to be realistic.
     
  11. fatbastard

    fatbastard Member+

    Aug 1, 2003
    Lincoln (ish), Va
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [​IMG]
     
  12. StagsUnited72

    StagsUnited72 Member

    Sep 23, 2004
    Silver Spring, MD
    I sent an email to my friend at MLS HQ about HG status expiring. I haven't heard anything back from him yet. I also asked Soccer Insider the same thing and got an answer from him. Soccer Insider stated: no limit on HG status, but clubs eventually bump up a homegrown to make room for new signings.

    Knowing this, if I was DCU front office and there was another HG we were considering to sign, I wouldn't do it until after all the re-entry drafts.
     
  13. Diceson

    Diceson Member

    Dec 21, 1999
    Looking at it a different way, outside of DeRo, Jacovic, Hamid, Pontius, and Najar, (maybe Kitchen) if you were Mon-tre'cal (might as well get the hate started now), would there be any other players you'd want off of DCUnited? You've got a lot of teams now, and there are going to be players slipping through the cracks for MON to scoop up.

    Although I'm against any changes in the off-season other than "natural" attrition - rookies beating out veterans - part of me wants to see if a trade can be made.

    Realistically, if you can trade CD's rights for even a 3rd round would be a "win" in my book.

    Furthermore, I do think that Simms has some value, probably around a 3rd round, and you might be able to convince the MON braintrust that he's a good, solid, experienced building block for an expansion team.

    Without really knowing the strenght of the current college crop, I might even like to see a swap of first round picks, with DCUnited throwing in a player, and some salary (I'm guessing DCUnited will have some salary budget to play with at the start of the season) for the #1 overall pick!
     
  14. nobletea

    nobletea Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 29, 2004
    HarCo
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, I think the transfer allocation cash you'd get from holding onto CD is worth more than a 3rd rounder. Further, you're not even likely to get 11 goals from a first rounder, let alone 3rd. He's worth a first round pick in a weak attacking draft. Second round at worst.

    Also, while the idea of getting a #1 pick is exciting, it's not a good deal for Montreal at all, and for us, already the youngest team in the league, doesn't make much sense either unless we're trading it around. Otherwise we end up with a team of expensive 22-26 year olds who all want to go to Europe at the same time-- cue rebuilding cycle.
     
  15. Diceson

    Diceson Member

    Dec 21, 1999
    Good points.

    I think the recent negative things that have come out against CD have decreased his value significantly, but that's just me. I'd take a third round pick, and know that I'm saving a big chunk of salary for other players - keeping Pontius, Hamid, or Najar from Europe for one more contract.

    If I take a forward/striker #1 overall pick, that SOB had better score 11 goals when he's had 5-6 years experience! He better be leading the league!! But that's just me.

    Excellent points on being too young. Actually, maybe go the other way and trade down for a 2012-2nd Round and 2013-3rd Round (whatever combo) for the 2012 #7(?) overall. Someone might want to hit that.
     
  16. Diceson

    Diceson Member

    Dec 21, 1999
    Good points.

    I think the recent negative things that have come out against CD have decreased his value significantly, but that's just me. I'd take a third round pick, and know that I'm saving a big chunk of salary for other players - keeping Pontius, Hamid, or Najar from Europe for one more contract.

    If I take a forward/striker #1 overall pick, that SOB had better score 11 goals when he's had 5-6 years experience! He better be leading the league!! But that's just me.

    Excellent points on being too young. Actually, maybe go the other way and trade down for a 2012-2nd Round and 2013-3rd Round (whatever combo) for the 2012 #7(?) overall? The idea being that you will need to replace the elite young players and some of the older players by that time. Someone might want to hit that trade if they are desperate enough to move up in the draft for a specific player.

    But, on the other hand, assuming CD is gone this year, both DeRo and Wolff won't be around more than a couple of more years. Brettschneider is so-so, at best he's your #3, more likely #4 forward on this team. You will need a forward that's proven at the college level. At this point I think the team could land Casey Townsend (UMD) with that pick, and he might be a serviceable forward in MLS.
     
  17. fatbastard

    fatbastard Member+

    Aug 1, 2003
    Lincoln (ish), Va
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Simms would be just the type of guy I'd want as an expansion team GM, for that reason alone I would protect him. IMO, Brettschneider should be kept as well, a) I like him/his potential skill-set and b) he got valuable experience/minutes here this year and that's confidence/experience I'd like in a cheap 3rd/4th forward if I'm an expansion GM.

    I might like Morsink if I'm an expansion GM too, but that is no reason to protect him :)

    Remember in an expansion draft it's not all just who you don't want to lose, it's even more who you think someone would take. That's made harder by also having to worry about who they might take for the sole purpose of trading somewhere else that you have not considered ....... I don't envy the decision-makers.


    edit:
    Speaking of 3rd-round picks - do they have an even lesser value now that there will be only 2 rounds in the draft and more "supplemental" rounds instead?
    What if you got a 2012 3rd rounder last year thinking it was a superdraft pick and now it's just the first supplemental round? are you pissed? Or is it the same no matter what they call it?
     
  18. Diceson

    Diceson Member

    Dec 21, 1999
    I think what's even more disturbing is that several of us on these boards probably recently went through 10 - 15 rounds of fantasy picks while drinking a six-pack or two of beer over a couple of hours.

    If I'm not mistaken, the SUPER Draft and Supplemental Draft are seperated by a couple of days so the various teams' braintrust can "think" about what they've done the one day, then what they'll do the next . . . .
     
  19. nobletea

    nobletea Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 29, 2004
    HarCo
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    [​IMG]

    "More time please!"
     
  20. jason1551

    jason1551 Member+

    Apr 9, 2003
    Columbus, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    Right now, Davies has exactly zero transfer value, and his value to the team is pretty low. Yes, he scored 11 goals during the season, but half of those came in 2 games. There's also the separate months long goal-scoring droughts in-between those two games, as well as his disappearance down the final stretch. Protecting him in the expansion draft in order to protect our rights to him makes sense in every possible way, but it makes just as much sense to try and get something for him ASAP because at a certain point we would look like we are desperate to offload him. All things considered, if we aren't planning on keeping him (and all signs point to "no" right now), trading his rights for a high draft pick would be a pretty shrewed move.

    Now does that draft pick have to match his goal production? No. Does he have to at least play the same number of minutes? Not really. Does he have to be a worthwhile investment that can contribute at a position of need? You bet your ass, especially if the pick is in the top 5 of the draft. Does that player need to be a forward? Nope. I'd be perfectly happy with the best outside back available (Tyler Polak) or CM (Dillon Powers), and then draft a senior or GA forward at the #7 pick.

    We may get younger, but at least we continue the youth movement in the right direction and make ourselves better in the process. Holding onto Davies with the hope that a foreign team will want him seems pretty wishful, especially if he continues to badmouth the coach or question his playing time. Seeing as how Davies has done this twice in his career, I'm not sure there will be many international suitors clamoring to get him.
     
  21. jason1551

    jason1551 Member+

    Apr 9, 2003
    Columbus, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    Not really. It's just a question of semantics. The first round of the supplemental draft is essentially the third round of the Superdraft. Given the addition of expansion teams over the past few years, the Superdraft has essentially gained an entire round of picks, so it makes sense that the league would try to get things back to a more manageable size.
     
  22. nobletea

    nobletea Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 29, 2004
    HarCo
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, see I'm completely on board with trading him now for a draft pick if you can get a really high one, but I think for the club the better move would be to trade that draft pick for the CB we very much need. We're never going to draft a defender who meets the description of what we need at the back right now, experience, leadership, etc. We could draft a versatile midfielder such as the one KP has no prescribed (not sure I agree with that need), and we could draft a top prospect forward, but it seems unlikely he would get many minutes and he wouldn't be the major forward acquisition we need either (not likely anyway).

    Is the trade window even open before the expansion draft? If it is, I agree it's a wiser move to deal Charlie now for a pick that you don't have protect. You say use the pick, I say trade it.
     
  23. jason1551

    jason1551 Member+

    Apr 9, 2003
    Columbus, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    Not at CB, but we can get a quality outside back. I don't think there's anyone available at CB that a team would trade for a high 1st rounder, but stranger things have happened.
    I expect us to draft a forward, as 2012 seems like it could be a deep draft at that position and light on others.
    Trade window opens up the day after MLS Cup and lasts for about two days.
    I say use it if there's a solid player to be had at that pick. If there's a trade to be made that nets us a starter, sure, I'd love it, but I can't think of a deal that would make it worthwhile.
     
  24. nobletea

    nobletea Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 29, 2004
    HarCo
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Goff weighs in

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...pansion-draft/2011/11/16/gIQA7OLKTN_blog.html

    I think I have to say I'm glad he's not running the team. But he does give strong indicators that Boskovic is definitely in the team's plan for next year, and that Davies is not. Which is how it has been sounding for a few weeks. With his echo of it, I'll buy it.

    But he fails to recognize, apparently, that we are probably compelled to protect Boskovic, and that if we don't protect Davies we are going to lose valuable trade commodity or transfer fee money.

    He also seems to think it's worth keeping Woolard and Willis (two totally replaceable players) over Simms, who also has good, maybe peak, trade value right now.

    Other than 3 or 4 players that are controversy points, I think the other 7 or 8 are the concensus around here.
     
  25. Cweedchop

    Cweedchop Member+

    Mar 6, 2000
    Ellicott City, Md

    Simms has good trade value? That's news to me.. Older, high salary ($180,000) and a soft player. Teams are not exactly slobbering over acquiring players with this particular skill set. :p
     

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