Expansion Draft Depth Chart

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by clevemlsfan, Nov 18, 2004.

  1. clevemlsfan

    clevemlsfan New Member

    Apr 6, 2001
    GK (best available to least likely to help nxt yr and future)

    just my opinion, what do you think??
  2. clevemlsfan

    clevemlsfan New Member

    Apr 6, 2001
    lots of players at GK and DEF

    Nelson-8 (does look to stay)
    De laTorre

    MID a bit thinner but certainly 1 great and 3 or more very good players
  3. clevemlsfan

    clevemlsfan New Member

    Apr 6, 2001
    FWD- Thin but 3 good guys and some young comers
    J. Walker
    M. Taylor-6
    J. Max Moore
    T. Martins
    G. Rey
  4. Bonji

    Bonji Moderator

    Feb 4, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ring is better than Walker. They played identical minuted this season, Ring made more saves, gave up fewer shots and had more shut outs. Ring also had a worse team in front of him as he faced more shots. I don't see why people think Walker is all that. Probably just because he played in South America and no one could actually see how he played. I'd put Ring at the top of the list, then Meola, then Walker or Perkins, then Garlick.
  5. Bonji

    Bonji Moderator

    Feb 4, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What makes you think Nelson is going to stay? He's gone. Either team is silly to draft him.
  6. clevemlsfan

    clevemlsfan New Member

    Apr 6, 2001
    I think this team could give Most MLS clubs a good game, ( )=sub

    Garlick (Ring)

    Stewart Nelson Pierce Zaide (Akwari/Salyer)

    Trembly Williams Brenes Lagos (Ecklund/Gomez/Buete)

    J. Walker Nhelko (Washington/Quintanilla)
  7. clevemlsfan

    clevemlsfan New Member

    Apr 6, 2001
    Good point id take Ring over Walker -see above
    with Nelson i meant DoesN'T look to stay-oops

    as far as Meola, Lagos Preki Quintanilla Mias Vaca DiGi Roner Powell etc. and other Older or recently Injured guys I'd need to look at the most recent tape and see in person if possible what kind of shape they are in.

    I also think that all else being even, Id take the younger guy with the exception of a Pereja or Ecklund for a few good years and leadership.
    If I'm a GM Williams, Stewart, Jamil Walker, Brenes, Ring and Pierce are TAKEN Post Haste

    I'd also try to develop a younger team that could grow together fortified by some Superdraft talent and additions in subsequent years

    I think Salt Lake has gotten a nice jump on the process by gettin a guy with something to prove, lots left in the tank (to play on a home grass field), tons of class/leadership and a Scorer's touch in Jason Kries to quote the ads "BRILLIANT" I like SL already.
  8. Mr. Bandwagon

    Mr. Bandwagon Member

    May 24, 2001
    the Barbary Coast
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are you grading the players on talent? Potential? Affordability? Leadership/Professionalism? Trade-value? Other?

    Without knowing what you're looking at it makes it hard to know whether I agree with your ratings or not. For instance, Jamil Walker hardly looks to be a top-tier forward as you suggest, but he's cheap and is young enough to have "potential" even if it's a 50/50 proposition. He seems more like a middle-of-the-pack forward to me.

    Likewise, Jon Conway may not be a top-tier keeper, but he's got plenty of "experience" as a back-up (FWIW), did fairly well when called upon this year, is known as a team-player and strong addition to the locker-room, has the raw tools (height, athleticism, desire, etc.). Again, seems a little under-rated on your list considering he's ranked below DJ Countess, who is at risk of playing in the USL at the rate he's going.
  9. Dynamo Salem

    Dynamo Salem New Member

    Nov 25, 2003
    Salem, OR
    For forwards, Nhleko never impressed this year. But Walker or Taylor comming of the bench would be good.

    For mids, I'm tired of waiting for Any Williams to be consistant and I guess Chicago is too. All promises no delivery. Gomez, Brenes, and Vaca are good. Also Roner we pretty strong last year, but injured too much this year.

    Def: Definatly Stewert, Franchino, and Pierce could start right away. Saylor is an investment in the future.
  10. Fanaddict

    Fanaddict Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    streamwood IL USA
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If a team drafts nelson or stewart and they go to europe that team gets the allocation and not DC right. So wouldn't it be worth drafting them just to get the allocations?
  11. OnTheEdge

    OnTheEdge New Member

    Apr 4, 2001
    Potomac, MD
    Both Nelsen and Stewart would be leaving on free transfers which usually (not always) doesn't qualify for an allocation. Of course, this is MLS where the rules can change on a whim. I don't think either player would garner an allocation if undrafted. I'd be willing to bet that if either player is drafted just for a potential allocation, then MLS will definitely say no to an allocation.

    It could be worth drafting Nelsen if you thought you could sign him but any offer from England is going to be much better than what RSL or Chivas could give Nelsen. Nelsen didn't agree to an offer rumored to be around $200K (I think) so how much better of an offer could RSL/Chivas provide?

    Wouldn't it be better to draft the best player still remaining? RSL or Chivas could even try a draft-and-trade to get something in the late rounds.
  12. numerista

    numerista New Member

    Mar 21, 2004
    Thoughts for an expansion GM with cojones:
    1. In 2004, MLS replacement GK's generally performed about as well as regular starters.
    2. Replacement GK's also tended to make roughly $100K less than established starters.
    3. There are a bunch of replacement GK's available in today's draft.

    Why not select a few of these guys and let them fight it out for your starting job? At least one of them is bound to be a solid starter, and you'd also have a fair bit of money left over to strengthen your outfield players.
  13. clevemlsfan

    clevemlsfan New Member

    Apr 6, 2001
    nice thoughts all, good points

    I think at keeper a bargain could be had on a experienced starter/backup
    and a solid A-league or college keeper as a backup

    at Def i think 3 starters could come from this draft with 2-3 more players coming from college or A-league

    at Mid i think can get some experience (playing for 2-3 more years) and long a few young long term conerstones and some quality Superdraft additions (look at this year and last who emerged and contibuted quickly)

    Forward is the thinnest and hardest to get from Superdraft also.
    Id take the best available in the Expan. draft, and hope it develops well (on the young side). Then I'd go after a proven A-league scorer, and then get a few solid college guys to supplement the roster, all the while working on a trade for a (Razov?) mid aged fwd type, maybe a return from overseas type (Mathis?)

    I'm excited and intrigued and I'll be taking off of work, drinking + ordering pizza , and watching this very interestedly on - ESPN2 at 4:00 Eastern Friday Nov.19th -
  14. Not bad talent here, but the really tale will be told once we see who everyone is going to sign beyond the draft. Chivas has already announce two senior Mexican League stars and REal already has Kreis. With the roster expansion and more SI's allowed, expect everyone to upgrade a bit. I think there will be a big push to enhance the product next year, before the World Cup year, in hopes of attracting investors to San Jose and two expansion teams, Club America and one other.
  15. JoeW

    JoeW New Member

    Apr 19, 2001
    Northern Virginia, USA
    1. Both expansion teams have more allocations and discoveries than they have cap room. They'd be crazy to draft Stewart (even if he was staying--which he isn't) b/c of cap reasons.

    2. RSL's GM probably spoke for both teams. He's not looking to get his starting from this draft or get key role players. He's looking to get a few players who'll be able to play either as starters or key reserves. Cap issues are probably pre-eminent with both teams b/c they don't want to be precluded from using all of their allocations.
  16. Autogolazo

    Autogolazo BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 19, 2000
    Bombay Beach, CA
    From today's SLC Trib...

    "If we can get an attacking midfielder out of the draft, that would be an extra point for us," Ellinger said.

    That has Andy Williams written all over it, no?
  17. Cleve-MLS-fan

    Cleve-MLS-fan New Member

    Feb 5, 2001
    Player rank#10-1 team draft result
    GK Walker-rank7 ny pb2
    Ring off
    Jordan-6 off
    Perkins dc pb2
    Countess SLR 2
    Conway-rankpts5 sj pb2
    Vallow colo pb2
    Wells ny pb1

    Nelson-rank8 (doesNT look to stay) dc pb 1
    Stewart-7 CHIV 10
    Pierce SLR 8
    Franchino ne pb1
    Zaide-6 CHIV 7
    Akwari SLR 5
    De laTorre CHIV 5
    Denton off
    Broome laglx pb1
    Salyer dal pb1
    Hart sj pb2
    Zotinga kc pb1
    Hendrikson CHIV 3
    Behnke SLR 7
    Whitfield chi pb 1
    Llamosa ne pb2
    Ara SLR 9

    MID Williams-rank7 slr1
    Brenes SLR 3
    Gomez-6 CHIV 4
    Trembly colo pb1
    Buete chi pb 2
    Kamler SLR 4
    Lagos off
    Perez-5 CHIV 3
    Maisonneuve-4 off

    FWD Nhelko-7
    J. Walker CHIV 8
    M. Taylor-6 CHIV 6
    Selowane off
    Washington off
    Simutenkov kc pb2
    Testo-5.5 clb pb1
    J. Max Moore
    T. Martins CHIV 9
    Quintanilla off
    Torres-4 CHIV 1
    Brown SLR 6
    Scott SLR 10
    G. Rey

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